The President and the SEAL

[zxcvbob]

There absolutely is precedent.  See the entire "DOD doesn't prosecute Sexual assault/harassment" bruhaha of the last several years.  Depending on when the UCI happened they go back and run the service members through the system, either NJP (like this Trident Review Board) or full on Courts Marshal.  UCI to drop or stop an investigation is a HUGE deal in the military right now.  We have dedicated Officer Professional Development classes on it.

Well, I'm glad I put the "I don't know what I'm talking about" disclaimer.     I knew there were institutional cover-ups.  I didn't know commanders personally got involved to squelch investigations.  And double jeopardy would only apply if there was an acquittal.

[TommyGunn]

IMO, one of Trumps biggest mistakes was not unilaterally replacing every Obama appointee he has the authority to replace on his first full.day in office.

+ bazillion.

[230RN]

Quote from: RoadKingLarry on Today at 09:04:42 AM

IMO, one of Trump's biggest mistakes was not unilaterally replacing every Obama appointee he has the authority to replace on his first full day in office.

I was surprised to keep seeing "an Obama appointee" with respect to people on his staff.  Then I figured, well, he knows the government must go on, in spite of any "new broom sweeps clean" cliches.

So I guess he was smart to allow things to proceed seamlessly until someone made a mistake, then it's "ass, meet boot."

I mean, let's face it.... his whole election "miracle" was based on making major changes in governmental philosophy, but we'd better take it easy on draining the swamp all at once and risk losing some valuable species.

Terry

Edited to correct typo "rake" to "take."

[zxcvbob]

Quote from: RoadKingLarry on Today at 09:04:42 AM

I was surprised to keep seeing another "an Obama appointee" with respect to people on staff.  Then I figured, well, he knows the government must go on, regardless of any "new broom sweeps clean" cliches.

So I guess he was smart to allow things to proceed seamlessly until someone made a mistake, then it's "ass, meet boot."

I mean, let's face it.... his whole election "miracle" was based on making major changes in governmental philosophy, so let's take it easy on draining the swamp all at once.

Terry

Maybe draining a swamp is like pumping out a flooded basement.  You can't pump all the water out at once or the walls can collapse.

[MechAg94]

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/11/25/fire-the-admirals-to-encourage-the-others-n2556977?fbclid=IwAR28YO4S722UYlEcHd_bEJjzv2rqtD2qUhWJ-Jd2CDbFOP1UaVUs5tKXBtg

Interesting read.

Paints the passive aggressive approach some in high positions in the military have employed in a different light.

Somewhere on youtube is a talk by Victor David Hansen speech where he makes the point that we should fire more generals and admirals.  His point was we used to do it all the time and it wasn't necessarily a career ending event.  He mentioned several during WWII that worked their way back into command and did better later in the WWII. 

[dogmush]

Somewhere on youtube is a talk by Victor David Hansen speech where he makes the point that we should fire more generals and admirals.  His point was we used to do it all the time and it wasn't necessarily a career ending event.  He mentioned several during WWII that worked their way back into command and did better later in the WWII. 

That's the difference between a garrison military and a war military. 

I could write a thesis on the ills that a zero defect, risk adverse leadership brings ANY enterprise, much less one whose job it is to break things.  We could start with reflective belts, and end with ramming freighters.

[MillCreek]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/27/us/navy-seals-edward-gallagher-video.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Interesting comments from the personnel who served with Chief Gallagher.

[cordex]

The way you phrase it makes it sound like corroboration of previous accusations instead of the same ones restated by the same people.

[Hawkmoon]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/27/us/navy-seals-edward-gallagher-video.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Interesting comments from the personnel who served with Chief Gallagher.

Echoing Cordex.

From the article:

Platoon members said they saw Chief Gallagher shoot civilians and fatally stab a wounded captive with a hunting knife. Chief Gallagher was acquitted by a military jury in July of all but a single relatively minor charge, and was cleared of all punishment in November by Mr. Trump.

So the end result of all their traumatic testimony was a gigantic fur ball -- nothing, nada, rien, nichts, nic, ничего, niente. I'm pretty sure the same rule underlies the UCMJ as underlies civilian law: innocent until proven guilty. This article in the Times is disgraceful -- they lost the case in court, so now they're retrying it in the court of public opinion. That's despicable.

[cordex]

To be fair, it is absolutely possible that everything is as has been presented and Gallagher is a stone cold murderer.  Regardless, I'm not sure I'd give much credence that the trial was either originally intended to, or ultimately determined Gallagher's guilt or innocence.  Many thumbs on both sets of scales in that case.

[brimic]

This article in the Times is disgraceful -- they lost the case in court, so now they're retrying it in the court of public opinion. That's despicable.

Its the NYT,  propaganda is what they do.