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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2020, 05:02:39 PM »

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2020, 05:02:46 PM »
I haven't researched the incident, but was wondering if any explanation was given as to why the cop was leaning on the victim for 10 minutes. Was it his lunch break?  Were they waiting on a paddy wagon?  Seems like once they had him cuffed, they could have stuffed him in the cruiser and hauled him off to jail.  Staying there, particularly with hostile witnesses gathering, seems bizarre.

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2020, 05:24:06 PM »
So burn down a police station, don't use it as an excuse to rob a liquor store or steal a TV or high-priced tennis shoes.  .

Police stations tend to have people inside with guns.
As far as the rest goes 99% of the people doing it would be like George who? if asked.
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« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2020, 05:27:43 PM »
A problem is, what will happen to the people that defend their homes and businesses? When this crap happens, those people won't be tried in a court of law, they will be tried in a court of emotion along with  "the looters had justification". Al Sharpton will be sitting in the courtroom calling for hate murder charges.

Half these looters have big smiles on their faces. They are not protesting or angry. They are opportunists taking advantage of Floyd's death. If people defending themselves and their property were to have no fear of prosecution, hey, try and loot away if you can survive it. Let Darwin sort 'em out.
That is of course a reasonable question, and if/when that happens, I'll happily support the person defending themselves.

As to not protesting or being angry? They're pissed and rightly so. They're execution sucks, but don't assume that they're way of demonstrating it doesn't make sense to you means that they're only doing it for shits and giggles.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2020, 05:30:12 PM »
I haven't researched the incident, but was wondering if any explanation was given as to why the cop was leaning on the victim for 10 minutes. Was it his lunch break?  Were they waiting on a paddy wagon?  Seems like once they had him cuffed, they could have stuffed him in the cruiser and hauled him off to jail.  Staying there, particularly with hostile witnesses gathering, seems bizarre.
A question I'm sure his lawyer is going to have an aneurysm trying to answer as part of their task of defending him. Likely a case of my authorita means you and the crowd will comply and I'm going to double down until you do, even if I'm wrong or I murder you whilst proving my dick is bigger.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2020, 05:31:41 PM »
Police stations tend to have people inside with guns.
As far as the rest goes 99% of the people doing it would be like George who? if asked.
This begs the question though of "does George who" matter exactly. They don't need to know him or be his best friend to be rightly pissed off.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2020, 05:38:09 PM »
This begs the question though of "does George who" matter exactly. They don't need to know him or be his best friend to be rightly pissed off.

Not my point. Be willing to bet good money most of the looters couldn't care less who George Floyd is or what happened to him they just see an opportunity to loot and burn. Not saying they don't have a rightful reason to be pissed off, heck I am but for some strange reason I don't feel the urge to go steal tennis shoes
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2020, 05:43:04 PM »
I haven't researched the incident, but was wondering if any explanation was given as to why the cop was leaning on the victim for 10 minutes. Was it his lunch break?  Were they waiting on a paddy wagon?  Seems like once they had him cuffed, they could have stuffed him in the cruiser and hauled him off to jail.  Staying there, particularly with hostile witnesses gathering, seems bizarre.

I assume it's because it's a non-messy way to kill someone, and to show all the onlookers that HE was the boss.  "I'm a cop, you're not.  Watch, I can kill this man and there's not a thing you can do about it; and I have qualified immunity"  I don't know why the other cop assisted him, but I know why they didn't stop him, you don't stop your buddy when he's on a roll.  And qualified immunity again.

But maybe I just have a bad attitude and am reading my own emotions into it.   :lol:

I really want this to be a death penalty case.  18 USC §242 would work and it doesn't require premeditation.  It'd be easy to prove the "willful" part.  Show the entire video.  Stop it every 5 seconds and ask why he didn't take his knee off the man now.  It will take a while because there are a lot of 5 seconds's.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2020, 05:48:24 PM »
But at the same time, this has been building and largely ignored for decades.
Have they really?

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2020, 05:58:38 PM »

As to not protesting or being angry? They're pissed and rightly so. They're execution sucks, but don't assume that they're way of demonstrating it doesn't make sense to you means that they're only doing it for shits and giggles.

I meant the half that were smiling. I'm sure a good number of them are angry and doing it in the "burn it down" sense, but plenty of them are doing it for fun and free stuff, as happens it pretty much all looting incidents.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2020, 06:15:11 PM »
"Excuse me while I adjust my devil's advocate hat a tad...there we go

This isn't a Democrat or Republican, Right or Left, Black or White issue."


Well, yes it is.  A culture has been built for decades beginning with LBJ and his Great Society and War on Poverty which has fractured the black family leaving a vacuum filled by gangs, crime and drugs, created the government plantation of welfare and ghettos, disdain for education, work, rule of law, and misdirected the anger from all the government has perpetrated into a belief in institutional racism.  There is institutional racism and it is the Federal and State Governments that have continued to perpetrate LBJ's destruction.  Apparently it's long forgotten the exact quote by LBJ on a plane in the presence of several witnesses with respect to what group of people would be voting Democrat for the next 100 years.  Well, its been nearly 60 and counting I remember being a cop in the 60's.  It was not perfect but it surely was different then than it is now because of the hatred that has grown in the Ghetto Culture that has evolved.  It's a Democrat creation aided and abetted by the cowards in the Republican Party.  The Socialists and Leftists and out and out Communists have capitalized on it while the blame is further directed at the business community with looting and burning.  I suppose one could write a book about it if one had the courage to take all of the hatred that would be directed at the author for being a bigot and a racist rather than the exposure of the real villain.

As for Black and White issues...many black people have decided to not participate in the political genocide created by the Leftists in the D party and have become successful and usually pretty quiet about it.  Unfortunately, some others have decided to use their success to fan the flames of the hatred that has been created to divide us as Americans. A good deal of white Americans who have bought into the propaganda and cultural genocide have also climbed on the wagon of hate.  Subliminally these white folks hate themselves because they just can't face the destruction committed by the political institution they have supported.  

There are millions and millions of white Americans who care not a whit about skin color or the other natural differences and proclivities of their fellows and yet are painted with the large brush that has been created for one purpose....to divide us.  The loudest voices of accusation are actually the voices of disorder, division, hatred.   Many Americans are either unwitting pawns or dupes of the hyphenization of Americans and the political scheme that has been ongoing for a long, long time.

As for the cops, they are like the rest of our society.  Some are good, some are really good.  Some are just disinterested.
Some are bad and some are really bad.  If the social manipulators who enjoy bragging about how they are the saviors of Things Good, actually really were what they claim to be, police officers would be more carefully selected, carefully trained carefully managed, and carefully weeded out when necessary.  But they do not because a 4'9" cocky, pick your race, transgender with a bad attitude must be granted xe's right to be a cop.  When that cop screws up, who gets the blame?   The bad cops are the result of the notion than anyone can be a cop; tall, short, black, white, brown, yellow, red, male or female or one confused about gender... and that might be true.  But The Social Justice Warriors are afraid to weed out the ones who are not actually qualified to have the authority to ultimately be able to take away the freedom of another.  One of the finest men I knew who was a police captain, who watched his officers with with a jaundiced eye, once told me that the the police officer's ability to take away another person's freedom is one of the most powerful responsibilities and should be the most carefully guarded.   Qualified is another marker that is NOT used in today's cultural swamp.  If one can't decide whether one is actually a male or female, it becomes rather difficult to decide who might make a good or bad cop.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2020, 06:39:22 PM »
Yep.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/chief-prosecutor-amy-klobuchar-dismissed-charges-cop-killed-george-floyd/267933/
What do you think that article shows?

Secondly, for years now all cases where a police officer kills a black man have gotten heavy scrutiny and often national attention, even in cases where the shooting was fully justified.  How does that square with "largely ignored for decades"?

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« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2020, 06:49:02 PM »
"Excuse me while I adjust my devil's advocate hat a tad...there we go

This isn't a Democrat or Republican, Right or Left, Black or White issue."


Well, yes it is.  A culture has been built for decades beginning with LBJ and his Great Society and War on Poverty which has fractured the black family leaving a vacuum filled by gangs, crime and drugs, created the government plantation of welfare and ghettos, disdain for education, work, rule of law, and misdirected the anger from all the government has perpetrated into a belief in institutional racism.  There is institutional racism and it is the Federal and State Governments that have continued to perpetrate LBJ's destruction.  Apparently it's long forgotten the exact quote by LBJ on a plane in the presence of several witnesses with respect to what group of people would be voting Democrat for the next 100 years.  Well, its been nearly 60 and counting I remember being a cop in the 60's.  It was not perfect but it surely was different then than it is now because of the hatred that has grown in the Ghetto Culture that has evolved.  It's a Democrat creation aided and abetted by the cowards in the Republican Party.  The Socialists and Leftists and out and out Communists have capitalized on it while the blame is further directed at the business community with looting and burning.  I suppose one could write a book about it if one had the courage to take all of the hatred that would be directed at the author for being a bigot and a racist rather than the exposure of the real villain.

As for Black and White issues...many black people have decided to not participate in the political genocide created by the Leftists in the D party and have become successful and usually pretty quiet about it.  Unfortunately, some others have decided to use their success to fan the flames of the hatred that has been created to divide us as Americans. A good deal of white Americans who have bought into the propaganda and cultural genocide have also climbed on the wagon of hate.  Subliminally these white folks hate themselves because they just can't face the destruction committed by the political institution they have supported.  

There are millions and millions of white Americans who care not a whit about skin color or the other natural differences and proclivities of their fellows and yet are painted with the large brush that has been created for one purpose....to divide us.  The loudest voices of accusation are actually the voices of disorder, division, hatred.   Many Americans are either unwitting pawns or dupes of the hyphenization of Americans and the political scheme that has been ongoing for a long, long time.

As for the cops, they are like the rest of our society.  Some are good, some are really good.  Some are just disinterested.
Some are bad and some are really bad.  If the social manipulators who enjoy bragging about how they are the saviors of Things Good, actually really were what they claim to be, police officers would be more carefully selected, carefully trained carefully managed, and carefully weeded out when necessary.  But they do not because a 4'9" cocky, pick your race, transgender with a bad attitude must be granted xe's right to be a cop.  When that cop screws up, who gets the blame?   The bad cops are the result of the notion than anyone can be a cop; tall, short, black, white, brown, yellow, red, male or female or one confused about gender... and that might be true.  But The Social Justice Warriors are afraid to weed out the ones who are not actually qualified to have the authority to ultimately be able to take away the freedom of another.  One of the finest men I knew who was a police captain, who watched his officers with with a jaundiced eye, once told me that the the police officer's ability to take away another person's freedom is one of the most powerful responsibilities and should be the most carefully guarded.   Qualified is another marker that is NOT used in today's cultural swamp.  If one can't decide whether one is actually a male or female, it becomes rather difficult to decide who might make a good or bad cop.
Wow. Even managed to work the gayz in there as part of societies woes. How comprehensive of you.

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2020, 06:52:40 PM »
What do you think that article shows?

Secondly, for years now all cases where a police officer kills a black man have gotten heavy scrutiny and often national attention, even in cases where the shooting was fully justified.  How does that square with "largely ignored for decades"?

I'm not sure how accurate that is.

There were 1,004 people killed by police in 2019, and 23% of them were black.  Not all of those made national news, and I'm sure some barely blipped the local news.

source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

FWIW, the 2010 Census has 12.6% of the US as black or African American, so they are pretty badly over-represented in being capped by the police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States#Black_and_African_Americans

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2020, 06:53:02 PM »
I support some individual police officers, if I know them personally.  I am finding it harder and harder to support "Law Enforcement" and I don't support any Law Enforcement Agencies I can think of.  Between the seemingly never ending series of throwing their weight around and accidentally killing suspects, kicking in doors and shooting people at 0-dark-30, rolling in MRAPs whenever they have an excuse like they are military, and happily following blatantly unconstitutional orders during COVID cops no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me.  Prove to me you are a moral person that happens to be a cop, and I'll support you.  Until then I will assume you are a thug that will take my freedoms or maybe kill me without recourse.  AS Terry might say: It ain't the odds, it's the stakes.

The above sums it up rather well. There are a few, individual police officers I've known over the years whom I like and respect. That said, in general I have zero respect for "cops" in general, because too many of them act like jackbooted thugs, and the rest continue to cover for the bad apples instead of weeding them out.
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« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2020, 06:55:24 PM »
What do you think that article shows?

Secondly, for years now all cases where a police officer kills a black man have gotten heavy scrutiny and often national attention, even in cases where the shooting was fully justified.  How does that square with "largely ignored for decades"?
Because law enforcement agencies can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that heavy handed tactics are back firing, tolerance for thin blue line protection of bad apples is waiting, it's pushing things in certain communities to a breaking point, and despite aforementioned spot lights institutionally such animals were still in uniform and in a position to murder this man on video in front of a crowd for no discernable reason other than they bloody well felt like it.

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« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2020, 07:34:02 PM »
I wonder what does typically happen to store owners and the like who shoot a looter.  Here in Washington, using deadly force to protect only property will generally get you at least a manslaughter conviction, and there have been many cases of such.
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« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2020, 07:54:18 PM »
I wonder what does typically happen to store owners and the like who shoot a looter.  Here in Washington, using deadly force to protect only property will generally get you at least a manslaughter conviction, and there have been many cases of such.
From what little I have seen, there have been plenty of people attacked by the rioters.  I don't think it would be difficult for them to make the case they were defending themselves or others.
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« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2020, 07:54:39 PM »
I wonder what does typically happen to store owners and the like who shoot a looter.  Here in Washington, using deadly force to protect only property will generally get you at least a manslaughter conviction, and there have been many cases of such.

Does that include during civil unrest / looting? Not calling you out, I simply don't know if there are "exception laws" or whatever for protecting property during riots.

I would argue that if someone breaks into my business while I'm in it during a riot (assuming the business is in the riot zone), I would be as much in fear of my life as  I would my property.
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« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2020, 07:54:49 PM »
"Wow. Even managed to work the gayz in there as part of societies woes. How comprehensive of you."

Would you agree that if society is going to hold police to a higher standard, then higher standards might just be necessary in choosing who carries a badge and a gun for the purpose of keeping the best degree of peace between human beings in a civilized society?  

You seem to have completely missed the point of my comments.
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« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2020, 08:14:05 PM »
Does that include during civil unrest / looting? Not calling you out, I simply don't know if there are "exception laws" or whatever for protecting property during riots.

I would argue that if someone breaks into my business while I'm in it during a riot (assuming the business is in the riot zone), I would be as much in fear of my life as  I would my property.

I know that several states have specific laws calling for a different legal standard in cases of rioting, looting and natural disasters.  Washington is not one of them.

You could probably make a credible case of self-defense if someone is wielding a weapon in close proximity to you.  Shooting someone carrying off a TV from across the parking lot or from the rooftop will get you time in the slammer, at least in Washington.
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« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2020, 08:37:47 PM »
"Wow. Even managed to work the gayz in there as part of societies woes. How comprehensive of you."

Would you agree that if society is going to hold police to a higher standard, then higher standards might just be necessary in choosing who carries a badge and a gun for the purpose of keeping the best degree of peace between human beings in a civilized society?  

You seem to have completely missed the point of my comments.

So are you saying that gay people cannot be cops?
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« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2020, 09:36:31 PM »
So are you saying that gay people cannot be cops?

The way I read it, that's not what he's saying.  At least not all gay people.  Just those who can't handle the "power", who are unfit to be trusted with that kind of authority.

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« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2020, 09:57:53 PM »
I wonder what does typically happen to store owners and the like who shoot a looter.  Here in Washington, using deadly force to protect only property will generally get you at least a manslaughter conviction, and there have been many cases of such.

Reports of a looter shot dead

1 shot dead amid looting, riots on Lake Street in Minneapolis
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/1-shot-dead-amid-looting-riots-on-lake-street-in-minneapolis
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