War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....

[JTHunter]

We don't want a Russian or Chinese military presence on our borders do we?

They are both already within our borders. 

[Angel Eyes]

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1723519219550302461

[Pb]

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1723519219550302461

If the Ukrainians hadn't been fighting back fiercely, Russia would be busily genociding them them...again... and importing more Muslims and ethnic Russians to replace them... again.

I don't know what kind of end of the war they will have to accept, but denouncing them for fighting back doesn't make sense.

If the USA was being invaded by a genocidal foreign power, we wouldn't be saying this sort of thing about ourselves.

[K Frame]

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1723519219550302461

Musk is a *expletive deleted*ing idiot.

[K Frame]

Neither Obama or Trump really had much of a foreign policy.   Biden kinda does.  But the last potus with a real foreign "policy" was HW Bush.  W developed a policy of killing Islamic terrorists after 9/11,  but not too much beyond that.

Tripping down the stairs while on a state visit isn't foreign policy...

[zahc]

That being said, it is not clear to me the benefit of the USA remaining in NATO

The benefit is obvious... benefit to Europe, that is. It's so warmongering Europe can pursue aggressive foreign policies that further their interest, with the assurance of US support. They get to benefit from our military, without having to pay for that capability themselves.

Europe as a whole has been fighting itself for the past 1000 years. Early America was smart enough to leave it behind. Would that contemporary, globalist America were half as smart.

[Ben]

Interesting breakdown of who is giving what form of aid to Ukraine.



https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-233b-in-ukraine-aid/

[WLJ]

These kind of claims are notoriously hard to to confirm particularly when there's propaganda value in them but here it is

Ukrainian sniper claims new world record after 'picking off Russian soldier from 2.36 miles away using "Lord of the Horizon" gun'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12770127/Ukrainian-sniper-claims-new-world-record-picking-Russian-soldier-2-36-miles-away-using-Lord-Horizon-gun.html

[Ben]

These kind of claims are notoriously hard to to confirm particularly where there's propaganda value in them but here it is

Ukrainian sniper claims new world record after 'picking off Russian soldier from 2.36 miles away using "Lord of the Horizon" gun'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12770127/Ukrainian-sniper-claims-new-world-record-picking-Russian-soldier-2-36-miles-away-using-Lord-Horizon-gun.html

Is his brother a pilot? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[HankB]

These kind of claims are notoriously hard to to confirm particularly where there's propaganda value in them but here it is

Ukrainian sniper claims new world record after 'picking off Russian soldier from 2.36 miles away using "Lord of the Horizon" gun'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12770127/Ukrainian-sniper-claims-new-world-record-picking-Russian-soldier-2-36-miles-away-using-Lord-Horizon-gun.html

Fire enough rounds at long - OK, extremely long - range with a reasonably accurate rifle that will put its rounds in the general vicinity of your target, and eventually you'll connect.

[dogmush]

Fire enough rounds at long - OK, extremely long - range with a reasonably accurate rifle that will put its rounds in the general vicinity of your target, and eventually you'll connect.

That stratagey requires the target to stand pretty still and exposed until you connect.  It has been my experience that folks with bullets impacting in their general vicinity stay neither still, nor exposed.

I'm with Ben, as much as Ukraine has used propaganda in this war, I'll need real evidence of any claim of unusual prowess, not just fuzzy scopecam of an undisclosed location.

[HankB]

That stratagey requires the target to stand pretty still and exposed until you connect.  It has been my experience that folks with bullets impacting in their general vicinity stay neither still, nor exposed.

Of  course. But over time in a war, if you're careful and don't get overconfident, you'll have more than one opportunity to try and pick off an enemy way out there, and the odds are you'll eventually hit someone with your first shot. Even if you don't hit the officer you're aiming for, hitting his adjutant two steps away still counts.

[Ron]

I'm going to put this here for those that are still casting about trying to make sense of the geopolitical situation. If you've watched the Mearshimer video I posted early on in this discussion, you might find the critique of his position interesting. It's a short book review of On 'Sub-Imperial Power' (by Arnaud Bertrand).

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/11/on-sub-imperial-power-by-arnaud-bertrand.html#more

[Ron]

Another interesting read from a link in the comments section of the above review.

https://pamho.medium.com/the-uniparty-and-cowboy-war-1689568759ae

[MechAg94]

Sacrificing Ukraine | The Russian army disillusioned - Douglas Macgregor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP-V2dn4Jss

A bit more of a pessimistic view of things in Ukraine than I see from the pro-Ukrainian videos.