War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....

[Ben]

It's good to be a Zelenskyy:

https://x.com/aussiecossack/status/1807774973047758873

The missus just bought a brand new Bugatti.

Holy hell. I knew they were expensive, but the cheapest model starts at $2 million and they run to $12 million.

https://luxe.digital/lifestyle/garage/bugatti-price-list/

*expletive deleted*ck off, Ukrainian government. This is no different than what any Russian Oligarch does. I wonder when Jill Biden is getting hers?

[Angel Eyes]

I wonder when Jill Biden is getting hers?

It wouldn't surprise me if she already has.  Just keeping it under wraps until after her pull toy leaves office.

[dogmush]

It's good to be a Zelenskyy:

https://x.com/aussiecossack/status/1807774973047758873

The missus just bought a brand new Bugatti.

Not for nothing, but that post is an AI generated video, has been community noted, and in the thread it claims the car was delivered,  but the invoice they modified says the car will be built in Jan '26.

I suspect this is not a true story, short of some more believable evidence.

[Ben]

I'm not on x so can't see community notes, but if this is AI, it's certainly an example of what I keep saying here about AI dangers, and it certainly fooled me.

[WLJ]

If you go full screen on a large monitor it looks fake. His mouth movements in particular don't look natural
And it very well could have a foot print trail going back to the Kremlin

I'm not on x so can't see community notes, but if this is AI, it's certainly an example of what I keep saying here about AI dangers, and it certainly fooled me.

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🚨🤣🇺🇦Zelesnky's wife Olena just spent 4.5 million euros of your tax payer money on a brand new Bugatti Turbillon (1 out of 250) in France.
 
💰An employee of the Bugatti dealership in Paris by the name of Jacques Bertin revealed that the Zelensky's made this purchase whilst
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This video is a deepfake video. This guy is not real and this was never said.

The website that is linked literally still has parts describing what should be put there along with the fake news.

https://x.com/kylejglen/status/1807848412450050529?s=46&t=s7gM3tDMwHh9_2X-Gv40sA

Simeon Boikov is a known Kremlin propagandist.

https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/193/

[BobR]

Not for nothing, but that post is an AI generated video, has been community noted, and in the thread it claims the car was delivered,  but the invoice they modified says the car will be built in Jan '26.

I suspect this is not a true story, short of some more believable evidence.

There lies the problem, how do you know the people doing community notes (which I can't see either) are any more truthful than the original poster of the video or the source webpage? You can't trust anyone or anything in this day and age.


bob

[dogmush]

There lies the problem, how do you know the people doing community notes (which I can't see either) are any more truthful than the original poster of the video or the source webpage? You can't trust anyone or anything in this day and age.


bob

Community Notes need to include sources, it is incumbent upon the reader to check the sources and judge their veracity.  Just reading a Note and taking it as gospel is no different than taking a random tweet as gospel. Community Notes are a great resource,  and help against X itself manipulating  the feed again, but are just one tool in the information war.

To be fair, it has always been the job of the reader of news to judge the credibility of the news source,  most were just to lazy to do it.

[Ben]

To be fair, it has always been the job of the reader of news to judge the credibility of the news source,  most were just to lazy to do it.

This is absolutely true. However, in the age of information overload, I could easily spend my entire day verifying stories and sources. At some point, I have to outsource my research to a trusted source. Sadly, it seems I can't always trust even my trusted sources.

[dogmush]

Thread Drift:

I actually find it easier now than in the Pre internet/information overload age.  I can read something (like the post above), click the links in the "note" read them, scan the profile of the OP for obvious bias, and find and and skim background articles in like 5-10 min. That generally gives you a decent feel for "true, untrue, or can't easily tell, don't trust" which is all you really need for 95% of internet news articles.

In the case of the linked post about the Bugatti, it took less time to get to the conclusion that that was *probably* untrue and move on than I have spent since talking about it.  In the 90's it was much more difficult, or imposable, to look up competing news sources or even a different POV. 

In the age of engagement farming for money and open propaganda fights from multiple sources you gotta be active about intel assessment.

[Ben]

Thread Drift:

I actually find it easier now than in the Pre internet/information overload age.  I can read something (like the post above), click the links in the "note" read them, scan the profile of the OP for obvious bias, and find and and skim background articles in like 5-10 min. That generally gives you a decent feel for "true, untrue, or can't easily tell, don't trust" which is all you really need for 95% of internet news articles.

Yeah, but you're a government worker. You can spend all day doing that stuff from your desk at work. I'm retired, so I have way less free time than a government worker does. 

[cordex]

I'm retired, so I have way less free time than a government worker does. 

[WLJ]

Ouch!

[Angel Eyes]

Not for nothing, but that post is an AI generated video

Well ... *expletive deleted*it.

In my defense, there was no community note when I posted the link.  Still should not have taken the article at face value.

Lesson learned.

[JTHunter]

Yeah, but you're a government worker. You can spend all day doing that stuff from your desk at work.
I'm retired, so I have way less free time than a government worker does. 

Yeah, it's all those "Honey do" projects ! 

[Perd Hapley]

I don't follow the events in Ukraine, so there may be nothing new here, but just in case:

https://amgreatness.com/2024/07/20/david-sacks-policy-elite-finally-admitting-project-ukraine-is-joever/

[Ben]

Biden (or somebody) just approved Ukraine's use of US missiles for offensive strikes into Russia. I can't help but think that it was a deep state move to make things harder for peace talks come January.

https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/11/17/biden-in-the-amazon-n2403910

[K Frame]

"I can't help but think that it was a deep state move to make things harder for peace talks come January."

And was it the nefarious ultra anti-Trump super duper deep state that accepted North Korean weapons AND combat troops  to fight for Russia?

Think THAT might have made peace talks harder come January?

[Opportunity]

And was it the nefarious ultra anti-Trump super duper deep state that accepted North Korean weapons AND combat troops  to fight for Russia?

Sorry, but what obstacles or prohibitions could there be for Russia to accept North Korean (or any other) weapons OR combat troops onto its sovereign Russian territory?
I sinfully thought - this is a personal matter between these two countries?))

[WLJ]

Sorry, but what obstacles or prohibitions could there be for Russia to accept North Korean (or any other) weapons OR combat troops onto its sovereign Russian territory?
I sinfully thought - this is a personal matter between these two countries?))

There's not that I'm aware of and it has more to do with what does it signal? Are the Russians running out of men and weapons? Come on now, N. Korea?? Be like the US accepting troops  and weapons from Haiti into it's army which would be taken as a sign things aren't going well. Plus when you need aid from N.Korea it's a sign your allies are very few and highly questionable

[dogmush]

There's not that I'm aware of and it has more to do with what does it signal? Are the Russians running out of men and weapons? Come on now, N. Korea?? Be like the US accepting troops  and weapons from Haiti into it's army which would be taken as a sign things aren't going well. Plus when you need aid from N.Korea it's a sign your allies are very few and highly questionable

Tell me you've never done a mission with our NATO partners without telling me you've never done a mission with our NATO partners.

It's pretty common actually for countries with military alliances to bring in their allies if they have ops running to give those allies a chance for real world missions, and to test TTPs and joint interoperability.  Our working with the Georgians in 2008 didn't signal we were running out of men and weapons.  For that matter neither di Ukraine's participation in MNF-I.

The real question is what are the Norks planning to do with all this suddenly acquired real world military experience.

[WLJ]

Our working with the Georgians in 2008 didn't signal we were running out of men and weapons.  For that matter neither di Ukraine's participation in MNF-I.

We weren't sticking them into the front lines of a stalemated attritional war on our border.

[dogmush]

We weren't sticking them into the front lines of a stalemated attritional war on our border.

Well not on our border anyway.  Iraq circa 2008-9 was pretty stalemated.

[K Frame]

Sorry, but what obstacles or prohibitions could there be for Russia to accept North Korean (or any other) weapons OR combat troops onto its sovereign Russian territory?
I sinfully thought - this is a personal matter between these two countries?))

It's sarcasm.

It seems as if every action, no matter how large or small, that is take in Washington right is met with cries of HOLY *expletive deleted*ck IT'S THE DEEP STATE MOVING TO SCREW OVER DA DONALD!!!! PERFIDY! TREASON!

So it's not at all a stretch to think that the Deep State Doom Criers would immediately think "HOLY *expletive deleted*it THE DEEP STATE JUST COLLUDED WITH THE NORKS AND RUSKIES TO FORCE TRUMP INTO WORLD WAR III JUST TO MAKE THE REPUBLICANS LOOK BAD!!!!!!!!


I went to the store on Saturday and they were out of a product that I wanted...

THE *expletive deleted*ing DEEP STATE IS MOVING TO STRIP GROCERY STORE SHELVES SO THAT DA DONALD'S REGIME COLLAPSES FROM MASSIVE DEEP STATE CREATED FOOD SHORTAGES!!!!!!


Just *expletive deleted*ing breath, people. Not everything is deep state.

[K Frame]

"The real question is what are the Norks planning to do with all this suddenly acquired real world military experience."

THEY GONNA JOIN WITH THE DEEP STATE AND OVERTHROW DA DONALD!

[Ben]

Just *expletive deleted*ing breath, people.

Looks like you might want to take that advice yourself.