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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #900 on: February 02, 2024, 05:19:17 PM »
And here we go

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The US conducted major airstrikes on 85 targets in Iraq and Syria on Friday, the start of what will likely be a series of larger-scale US strikes on Iranian-backed militias who have carried out attacks on US troops in the Middle East.

US launches retaliatory strikes on Iranian-linked militia targets in Iraq and Syria
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/politics/us-strikes-iraq-syria/index.html
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #901 on: February 02, 2024, 05:51:33 PM »
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #902 on: February 02, 2024, 06:21:26 PM »
Biden: That'll teach those darn German's for bombing the Maine
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #903 on: February 02, 2024, 08:39:29 PM »
That's actually a decent response.at least he didn't bomb Tehran.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #904 on: February 03, 2024, 09:52:33 AM »
The problem us plebes have here stateside is we have zero knowledge of whether those sites bombed have any strategic or tactical significance. Regardless, the escalation continues apace on all sides.

It very well may be just fake and gay theater for western media consumption.

The war with Russia has quietly escalated as well. The UK and NATO is now openly preparing us for direct contact between NATO/US forces and Russian forces, possibly as soon as May. Including strategic bombing of Russian territory.

In the empire it looks like the rulers have pretty much abandoned even the pretense of reflecting the will of the majority.

The majority aren't really interesting in promoting open borders, homosexuality, gender confusion, the grooming and sexualization of children or war.

Yet, here we are.

 
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #905 on: February 03, 2024, 10:40:56 AM »
The problem us plebes have here stateside is we have zero knowledge of whether those sites bombed have any strategic or tactical significance.
As has been true of every conflict since the history of ever.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #906 on: February 03, 2024, 11:47:21 AM »
The problem us plebes have here stateside is we have zero knowledge of whether those sites bombed have any strategic or tactical significance. Regardless, the escalation continues apace on all sides.

This isn't an escalation. We bomb militias in Iraq and Syria periodically, and every time they manage to run a halfway successful op.

We have for like 13 years now

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #907 on: February 03, 2024, 01:51:28 PM »
They had plenty of warning, so I doubt anyone was home.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #908 on: February 03, 2024, 03:21:48 PM »
This isn't an escalation. We bomb militias in Iraq and Syria periodically, and every time they manage to run a halfway successful op.


Honest question- has it worked?

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #909 on: February 03, 2024, 03:31:08 PM »
Basically it's an endless game of Whac-A-Mole,
Question is are they going to run out of moles before we run out of bombs or get tired of the game?
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #910 on: February 03, 2024, 06:52:29 PM »
We whack a few moles.
They retreat back into their holes & continue multiplying.
The moles pop back up.
We whack a few moles.

Repeat.

Seems like the only way off that merry-go-round is to follow Israel's lead.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #911 on: February 03, 2024, 07:25:28 PM »

Seems like the only way off that merry-go-round is to follow Israel's lead.

We probably would have whacked a few more moles this time around if we didn't tell the Iranians what the targets would be.

https://youtu.be/RBNN_6w85no
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #912 on: February 03, 2024, 08:26:47 PM »
Honest question- has it worked?

Define "worked".

There hasn't been another large terrorist attack on US soil since we provided them more convenient targets close to home.

There is usually a significant dip in effective offensive actions by Islamic extremists in the region after we do one of these ops. That dip in activity can last for a year or more.

The terrorists we kill never commit another attack.

Oil exports from Eastern Syria and northwestern Iraq normally increase after these operations due to a safer transportation environment.


To say the strategy definitively works or does not you would have to know the goal of US policy in the Mideast,  and that is notoriously hard to pin down.

But for clarity, I was only pointing out that hitting milita targets in Syria and Iraq was not an escalation of US military operations in the region, not claiming it was great foreign policy.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #913 on: February 03, 2024, 09:11:35 PM »
That makes sense.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #914 on: February 04, 2024, 04:48:37 PM »
https://youtu.be/3qYbVQu7YAQ

Well, that's fairly accurate.  After all, it was the "Cold War" for a long time.  Then it might be called the "Shadow War".  Now it is just that they are coming out of the shadows and piling on as many "theaters of operation" as they can, sowing confusion, like either "3-Card Monty" or the "shell & pea" con.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #915 on: February 04, 2024, 05:05:09 PM »
The problem us plebes have here stateside is we have zero knowledge of whether those sites bombed have any strategic or tactical significance. Regardless, the escalation continues apace on all sides.

It very well may be just fake and gay theater for western media consumption.

The war with Russia has quietly escalated as well. The UK and NATO is now openly preparing us for direct contact between NATO/US forces and Russian forces, possibly as soon as May. Including strategic bombing of Russian territory.

In the empire it looks like the rulers have pretty much abandoned even the pretense of reflecting the will of the majority.

The majority aren't really interesting in promoting open borders, homosexuality, gender confusion, the grooming and sexualization of children or war.

Yet, here we are.

The majority have been turned into jersey cows waiting to get milked.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #917 on: February 10, 2024, 02:10:32 PM »
Evidence of indiscriminate killings mount

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bodies-of-gazan-girl-ambulance-team-trapped-under-israeli-fire-found-after-12-days/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfAFAnvGKAU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NKMMpZayw&t=205s
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #918 on: February 10, 2024, 08:40:19 PM »
Evidence of indiscriminate killings mount

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bodies-of-gazan-girl-ambulance-team-trapped-under-israeli-fire-found-after-12-days/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfAFAnvGKAU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NKMMpZayw&t=205s

So you guys all know right, that just because you wave a white flag, the other belligerent is under no obligation to accept your surrender.

Nor is there any obligation to let people into a combat zone and then leave again, as the men in that video were attempting to do.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #919 on: February 10, 2024, 11:03:04 PM »
So you guys all know right, that just because you wave a white flag, the other belligerent is under no obligation to accept your surrender.

Nor is there any obligation to let people into a combat zone and then leave again, as the men in that video were attempting to do.

https://youtu.be/pILlitb8Acc?si=nd-XVzKUT2hRQ7OD

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #920 on: February 11, 2024, 01:35:26 PM »
So you guys all know right, that just because you wave a white flag, the other belligerent is under no obligation to accept your surrender.

Nor is there any obligation to let people into a combat zone and then leave again, as the men in that video were attempting to do.

Except that these clearly weren't belligerents, they were unarmed civilians transiting their own neighborhood to safety, or to recover family. The problem here is that the IDF has an intentionally murderous ROE. The clear objective is to forcefully displace or kill everyone in the Gaza territory. The IDF marks an area and kills everything that lives in in it, men women children or hostages. It's getting to the point that it's beyond shameful to even attempt to justify what is going on over there.

Remember this one? They didn't make a mistake, they were following a very clear policy to kill everything that moves. Had they been following reasonable rules of engagement those hostages would have made it.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/three-israeli-hostages-killed-mistakenly-in-gaza-were-holding-white-flag/articleshow/106048176.cms?from=mdr

The IDF excuse is that they are so scared and paranoid to the point that they can't objectively asses threats, can't tell what is going on and just have to go ahead and fire on everything preemptively to "defend" themselves because "enemy tricks". Give me a break. Remember that the IDF her is the invading and occupying force. You can't go into someone else's home and shoot everything and claim that you did so because you are afraid the residents might hurt you. The intellectual dishonesty of Israeli arguments is mind blowing.  [barf]
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #921 on: February 11, 2024, 02:42:17 PM »
You can't go into someone else's home and shoot everything and claim that you did so because you are afraid the residents might hurt you. The intellectual dishonesty of Israeli arguments is mind blowing.  [barf]

You also can't go into someone else's house, rape and murder his wife, kidnap his infant son, throw his baby in an oven and be surprised and outraged when he blows and shoots up your house.

The intellectual dishonesty of Hamas claiming to be victims is mind blowing.

The non-combatant population of Gaza should be evacuated to a Muslim country to get them out of the line of fire.  This will ensure no more unfortunate accidents happen.

*expletive deleted*ck Hamas and everyone who supports them.


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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #922 on: February 11, 2024, 02:44:47 PM »
So you guys all know right, that just because you wave a white flag, the other belligerent is under no obligation to accept your surrender.


I had no idea this was the case.  True?  I thought the mil was required to accept surrender, at least if they could do so safely.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #923 on: February 11, 2024, 02:48:50 PM »
The non-combatant population of Gaza should be evacuated to a Muslim country to get them out of the line of fire. 

The problem being that none of the surrounding countries seem to want anything to do with even the "civilian" population in Gaza.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #924 on: February 11, 2024, 03:26:44 PM »
The problem being that none of the surrounding countries seem to want anything to do with even the "civilian" population in Gaza.

Must be because they are so peaceful and innocent…
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