Israel Under Attack

[MechAg94]

I'm not saying Hamas' numbers are legit, but having seen pictures and video from Gaza it also it isn't hard to imagine a lot of people have been killed.  Blowing up a crowded city tends to do that.

Of course, Hamas hides behinds human shields for a reason.  They certainly don't mind a few dead Palestinians.

Of course the number is made up.  Otherwise, the number would have been 10,138 or 9873, not 10K even.  Even if there were 10K dead people, I am doubtful Hamas followers have any organized system to find and account for all of them. 

That said, Israeli bombing has been deliberate and they are often dropping small "door knocker" bombs ahead of the big stuff to allow evacuation.  I am sure that is not always happening.  I am also curious how many more Hamas rockets have fallen short. 

[WLJ]

Wow

Greg Price
@greg_price11
Cori Bush just went on what is probably the most unhinged rant I've ever seen in Congress on the censure resolution of Rashida Tlaib.

She even refused to stop after the mic was cut off.

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1721992275004108987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Croakford
@frahgerdly
Everyone say a prayer for this lady

[WLJ]

Not related to this thread but this link to another Cori Bush video was in the twitter link above and again WOW

https://twitter.com/DogRightGirl/status/1719319408571474129

Durrr..

[JTHunter]

Now that Hamas is asking for a ceasefire, their actions in all this reminds me of what happens to a bully when their victim turns on them and gains the upper hand.  Being the coward that most bullies actually are, when the tables are turned against them, they "beg" for "peace". 
So, my question is, should the Israelis slow down or even curtail their operations, possibly giving Hamas the chance to reposition and re-arm themselves, or do they finish the job? 

What would YOU choose to do?  And why? 

[Ron]

Israel probably cannot "finish" the job. We'll have to send dogmush and friends over there.

[dogmush]

I think you listen to what they have tosay while continuing the offensive.  If it seems like there's a chance Hamas will agree to an outcome that Israel is OK with and would allow them to stop active combat you go for it.

Off the top of my head, I'm sure Israel has a list of Hamas leadership.  If they will provide the top 10 or 15 leaders for trial and execution,  Israel might should call it good.

IME nothing cools the angst of the screaming beards like the odds that THEY might have to die for Allah.  According to them Allah needs other young men to die, not the important men.

[Northwoods]

For Your Situational Awareness

Glad I'm not at an NG site, but a supplier.

[AZRedhawk44]

I think you listen to what they have tosay while continuing the offensive.  If it seems like there's a chance Hamas will agree to an outcome that Israel is OK with and would allow them to stop active combat you go for it.

Off the top of my head, I'm sure Israel has a list of Hamas leadership.  If they will provide the top 10 or 15 leaders for trial and execution,  Israel might should call it good.

IME nothing cools the angst of the screaming beards like the odds that THEY might have to die for Allah.  According to them Allah needs other young men to die, not the important men.

Don't forget the 200+ Israeli hostages that Hamas took.

I'm A-OK with Israel creating a new fault line where Gaza currently stands.  They just had 1400 citizens killed in a very dishonorable way, and 200+ more kidnapped.  Israel is capable of doing it without US assistance.

Israel needs to (NEEDS TO) sate the need for vengeance for all those victims.  The Arab world won't respect them if they don't, and their own wounded citizenry won't respect them if they don't.  So first priority is avenging the dead and giving Gaza a lesson they hopefully don't forget, second is the hostages, third is brokering a peace that actually lasts.

[MechAg94]

Don't forget the 200+ Israeli hostages that Hamas took.

I'm A-OK with Israel creating a new fault line where Gaza currently stands.  They just had 1400 citizens killed in a very dishonorable way, and 200+ more kidnapped.  Israel is capable of doing it without US assistance.

Israel needs to (NEEDS TO) sate the need for vengeance for all those victims.  The Arab world won't respect them if they don't, and their own wounded citizenry won't respect them if they don't.  So first priority is avenging the dead and giving Gaza a lesson they hopefully don't forget, second is the hostages, third is brokering a peace that actually lasts.

And one that doesn't involve the US or UN bribing people with money to accept.  That never lasts.

[WLJ]

2020 had race riots
How about a shooting war with Iran for 2024?

The US has conducted airstrikes on two weapons facilities in Syria that are used by Iran's Revolutionary Guard.

The Pentagon confirmed two F-15 fighter jets were involved in the 'self-defense' mission as tensions are reaching boiling point in the Middle East.

The strike was confirmed hours after reports emerged that Iran-backed Houthi forces had shot down a US MQ-9 Reaper drone off the coast of Yemen.

US conducts airstrikes on Islamic Revolutionary Guard weapons depots in Syria
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12727493/US-conducts-airstrikes-Islamic-Revolutionary-Guard-weapons-depots-Syria.html

[Pb]

Various loony Iranian clerics, military officers, and Quds Force members need to start dying mysterious deaths until Iran starts to behave.

[RocketMan]

Various loony Iranian clerics, military officers, and Quds Force members need to start dying mysterious deaths until Iran starts to behave.

Doubt that would work.  They'd likely just double down on the Death to America nuttery.

[Northwoods]

Doubt that would work.  They'd likely just double down on the Death to America nuttery.

Depends on the depth of their bench, and the tolerance for such assassinations among our government.

[dogmush]

Soleimani eating a Hellfire didn't exactly calm them down any.

[WLJ]

Soleimani eating a Hellfire didn't exactly calm them down any.

Calmed him down good.
 

[dogmush]

Also, if I had to guess, the IRGC would welcome with cheers and celebration the US legitimizing political assassinations as a tool to use against a country you are not at war with.

[K Frame]

Calmed him down good.
 

It took him awhile, but he was finally successful in quitting smoking, too.

[RocketMan]

Depends on the depth of their bench, and the tolerance for such assassinations among our government.

Whenever one of their leaders gets whacked, another steps up to be a target before the first one's body has reached ambient temperature.  This has gone on for enough years to prove the depth of their bench is not a factor. 

[WLJ]

It took him awhile, but he was finally successful in quitting smoking, too.

He was hot about it at first but he's been cool ever since

[WLJ]

Meanwhile outside the Museum of Tolerance
Yeah, love that name.

Videos showed fights between protestors outside the Los Angeles Museum of Tolerance, where actress Gal Gadot organized a screening of footage of the brutal Hamas terror attack atrocities committed during the October 7 invasion of Israel.

The 47-minute footage, provided by the Israeli Defence forces, was aired to a select audience of celebrities and influential personalities in Los Angeles and New York last night.

About 200 people attended the screening, though Gadot was not in attendance, nor were any major Hollywood stars, according to the LA Times. That may have been due to the SAG-AFTRA strike, which only concluded yesterday.

People bearing Israeli flags fighting with pro-Palestinian protestors in the middle of the street can be seen in videos shared on social media, with people punching and kicking one another.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12728725/Shocking-moment-Gal-Gadots-screening-Hamas-terror-attack-film-ends-CHAOS-brawl-breaks-pro-Israel-pro-Palestinian-protestors.html

[Pb]

Also, if I had to guess, the IRGC would welcome with cheers and celebration the US legitimizing political assassinations as a tool to use against a country you are not at war with.

Iran has already been attacking American bases with missles already.  Iran arms and trains terrorists to murder Americans.

I'm just suggesting we do these sorts of things right back at them, and much harder... until they stop.

Here's an old story of how such things can work:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-07-mn-13892-story.html

And another:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/los-pepes

And if doesn't work, at least it will be entertaining.

[Northwoods]

He was hot about it at first but he's been cool ever since

Didn't they hit him with the ginzu blade bomb?

[Northwoods]

Whenever one of their leaders gets whacked, another steps up to be a target before the first one's body has reached ambient temperature.  This has gone on for enough years to prove the depth of their bench is not a factor. 

Eventually you'd run out of competent replacements.

[dogmush]

Iran has already been attacking American bases with missles already.  Iran arms and trains terrorists to murder Americans.

I'm just suggesting we do these sorts of things right back at them, and much harder... until they stop.

Iran did not directly attack US bases (actually Iraqi bases that had US troops, a real distinction in Iraq) until after we iced Soleimani.  The strikes on Erbil were in direct response to that assassination.

Doing "These sorts of things back at them, and much harder" is literally the battle plan for the GWOT in Afghanistan.  Just be aware of what you are asking for.

Here's an old story of how such things can work:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-07-mn-13892-story.html

And if doesn't work, at least it will be entertaining.

On encouraging the US to use the KGB tactics and hoping for entertainment in killing and maiming Jihadis...The nicest response I can come up with is the IDF is taking volunteers.  If you think it's fun, stack up. Gaza has plenty of doors to kick.


on a wider sense, we are not [yet] at war with Iran.  Sure we are going at each other through proxies, as nation states are wont to do, but there's real advantages to the veneer of civility a proxy war gives both sides vs. open hostilities.  We should not be so quick to give that up.

[Pb]

My responses are in red.

Iran did not directly attack US bases (actually Iraqi bases that had US troops, a real distinction in Iraq) until after we iced Soleimani.  The strikes on Erbil were in direct response to that assassination.

True... but Soleimani was killed because he had already been killing Americans.

Doing "These sorts of things back at them, and much harder" is literally the battle plan for the GWOT in Afghanistan.  Just be aware of what you are asking for.

The USA invaded Afghanistan, and tried to set up a friendly government, which failed.  I am talking targeting top-level aholes with death, and not occupying anything, conducting any major military operations or expecting cultural changes in garbage cultures.

On encouraging the US to use the KGB tactics and hoping for entertainment in killing and maiming Jihadis...The nicest response I can come up with is the IDF is taking volunteers.  If you think it's fun, stack up. Gaza has plenty of doors to kick.

The IDF is doing major military operations in Gaza.  That is not what I am advocating.  Plus I am not a secret squirrel.

on a wider sense, we are not [yet] at war with Iran.  Sure we are going at each other through proxies, as nation states are wont to do, but there's real advantages to the veneer of civility a proxy war gives both sides vs. open hostilities.  We should not be so quick to give that up.

Oh, I'm not advocating open hostilities at all!  Quite the contrary!  A nutbag cleric's car blows up... who did it?  Who knows?  Maybe if Iran stops attacking us, top level dirtbags will stop being killed by unknown people.

Maybe I'm wrong, but what we have been doing in the GWOT (massive wars) appears to have worked poorly.
 I would like to the people dying to be those making the murderous decisions, not infantry.  Lawdog had a post about this some years ago, but I have been unable to locate it.