Oppose gun control? YOU'RE A CONFEDERATE!

[Balog]

So this made the Black Panthers (who oppose gun control) neo-confederates? I wonder if they knew that.

[Scout26]

This is for Boomhauer in case he decides to invade lands north of the Mason Dixon line.

He was far, far better General then Lee.

[Balog]

Lee was mostly a figurehead vs an actual factual in the field commander wasn't he?

[makattak]

Lee was mostly a figurehead vs an actual factual in the field commander wasn't he?

Yeah, isn't claiming Sherman is a better General like claiming that Patton was a better General than Eisenhower?

Yes, he was, but Eisenhower had different responsibilities.

Besides, it was Jackson that was the military genius.

[Scout26]

Yeah, isn't claiming Sherman is a better General like claiming that Patton was a better General than Eisenhower?

Yes, he was, but Eisenhower had different responsibilities.

Besides, it was Jackson that was the military genius.

This.  So. Much. This.


Lee never lost a battle with Jackson "advising" him.  Lee never won a battle after Jackson died.  Lee butchered many, many more Confederates then Sherman ever did.

Lee and Sherman had similar responsibilities. Both commanded Field Armies.  Lee commanded the Army of Northern Virginia.  Sherman commanded The Army of the Tennessee and later the Military Department of the Mississippi for the Georgia/Carolinas Campaign (three Field Armies).   Neither were overall military commanders of their respective sides (Grant succeeded Halleck, and Jefferson Davis acted at Chief of Staff or Commanding General of the Confederates.)  


I do so Highly Recommend Victor Davis Hanson's book The Soul of Battle: From Ancient Times to the Present Day, How Three Great Liberators Vanquished Tyranny.  

[roo_ster]

This.  So. Much. This.


Lee never lost a battle with Jackson "advising" him.  Lee never won a battle after Jackson died.  Lee butchered many, many more Confederates then Sherman ever did.

Lee and Sherman had similar responsibilities. Both commanded Field Armies.  Lee commanded the Army of Northern Virginia.  Sherman commanded The Army of the Tennessee and later the Military Department of the Mississippi for the Georgia/Carolinas Campaign (three Field Armies).   Neither were overall military commanders of their respective sides (Grant succeeded Halleck, and Jefferson Davis acted at Chief of Staff or Commanding General of the Confederates.)  


I do so Highly Recommend Victor Davis Hanson's book The Soul of Battle: From Ancient Times to the Present Day, How Three Great Liberators Vanquished Tyranny.  

Oh, yes. 

[æg151337]

Can't be that painful...

Very intense pain to the left testicle.

[Pb]

General Grant.

Eight President of the NRA.

Used military force to disband the KKK.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

You left out slave owner

damn phone

[Scout26]

You left out slave owner

damn phone

Ummmm, not quite.  The slaves were owned by his F-I-L, they were loaned to him to farm his in-laws property in Missouri (a slave state at the time.)

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Ummmm, not quite.  The slaves were owned by his F-I-L, they were loaned to him to farm his in-laws property in Missouri (a slave state at the time.)

you overlook his wifes slaves?  which became his property when he married her?

and also this
http://www.nps.gov/ulsg/historyculture/slaveryatwh.htm



http://home.nas.com/lopresti/ps.htm

[TommyGunn]

you overlook his wifes slaves?  which became his property when he married her?

and also this
http://www.nps.gov/ulsg/historyculture/slaveryatwh.htm



http://home.nas.com/lopresti/ps.htm

Geeesh.  Wanna blame him for a receding hairline too? 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Geeesh.  Wanna blame him for a receding hairline too? 

and having his wife visit him in the camps accompanied by her slave was "problematic"
http://www.freedomsgateway.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=Fl3td8E_WBQ=

[RoadKingLarry]

You left out slave owner

damn phone

Attempting to attach modern ethics and morality to historic people and events is douchebaggery at its finest.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

isn't there some irony in the generals wife visiting him in the union camps accompanied by her slave?
or should i say his slave?   his wifes property was his when they married


some more on those times and folk
http://www.american-presidents.org/2007/02/grant-was-slave-owner.html

and a nice piece and source
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8749.2005.tb01111.x/pdf

[Balog]

Slavery survived the Civil War, in the Northern states. While slavery was certainly the pretext, if Lincoln et al really gave a damn about it they had a funny way of not enforcing that on their own folks.

[Tallpine]

Slavery survived the Civil War, in the Northern states. While slavery was certainly the pretext, if Lincoln et al really gave a damn about it they had a funny way of not enforcing that on their own folks.

If you read what he said before the war, he did not exactly favor blacks.  He wanted to send them back to Africa.

[Balog]

If you read what he said before the war, he did not exactly favor blacks.  He wanted to send them back to Africa.

Where's that Lincoln-Douglas debate quote where he affirmed that blacks were inferior and he opposed inter-racial marriage, I know I left it around here somewhere...

[Boomhauer]

Slavery survived the Civil War, in the Northern states. While slavery was certainly the pretext, if Lincoln et al really gave a damn about it they had a funny way of not enforcing that on their own folks.

Talk about an inconvenient truth...

[Hutch]

Attempting to attach modern ethics and morality to historic people and events is douchebaggery at its finest.

Unless, of course, this douchery is done in service of the Greater Good.  Then it's okay. <snark OFF>

[Perd Hapley]

Slavery survived the Civil War, in the Northern states. While slavery was certainly the pretext, if Lincoln et al really gave a damn about it they had a funny way of not enforcing that on their own folks.

Are you saying they should have amended the constitution to outlaw slavery? Or are you saying that Northerners should have been more attentive to enforcing state laws against slavery?

[Perd Hapley]

General Grant.

Eight President of the NRA.

Used military force to disband the KKK.

A good point, but some folks don't understand the context.

Pointing out that he disbanded the Klan isn't supposed to prove that he's MLK, people. It just means that the early NRA (being a Northern-based outfit, led by Union Army officers), was naturally opposed to the early Klan, which was mainly concerned with restoring Democrat Party control in the South.

[Balog]

Are you saying they should have amended the constitution to outlaw slavery? Or are you saying that Northerners should have been more attentive to enforcing state laws against slavery?

I'm saying that if the War Between the States was really the noble effort to end slavery it's portrayed as, the North probably would have ended their own slavery too.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I'm saying that if the War Between the States was really the noble effort to end slavery it's portrayed as, the North probably would have ended their own slavery too.

or at least been more discreet in having your wife visit union army camps accompanied by her slave.  folk talk

[Scout26]

I'm saying that if the War Between the States was really the noble effort to end slavery it's portrayed as, the North probably would have ended their own slavery too.

The Emancipation Proclamation only covered those states in rebellion at that time.  The Thirteenth Amendment to cover all states what in process before the war ended.

It was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, by the House on January 31, 1865, and adopted on December 6, 1865. On December 18, 1865, Secretary of State William H. Seward proclaimed it to have been adopted

 

While Lee surrender on 9 Apr 1865 the last Confederate General did not surrender until 23 Jun 1865.  So slavery was only in effect for ~6months in the northern states for 6 months after the war ended.