Plastic Bag Shaming

[Pb]

There is a serious problem with reusable bags for groceries.

They create a risk for food poisoning.

https://foodpoisoningbulletin.com/2013/e-coli-infections-spike-after-plastic-bag-ban-in-california/

Do you wash your re-usuable bags out every time you use them?  Does anyone? 

[WLJ]

This. Plastic is evil is the current trend.

If only the US was the actual country creating a problem, https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/these-10-rivers-carry-95-of-all-plastic-into-the-ocean?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1538773082&fbclid=IwAR1YfD6xNrr-7vRp8n1Ju868tnIiBnvn1jRtoiuncapU3fC5OVdwt95lj5g

You're in violation of narrative, report to your nearest reeducation camp

[K Frame]

Someone needs Reneducation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lnfOvc_jGg

[MechAg94]

There is a serious problem with reusable bags for groceries.

They create a risk for food poisoning.

https://foodpoisoningbulletin.com/2013/e-coli-infections-spike-after-plastic-bag-ban-in-california/

Do you wash your re-usuable bags out every time you use them?  Does anyone? 

Until I saw that headline, it didn't occur to me that they were also banning the little plastic bags in the fruit section.  Those bastards!!

[Ben]

Until I saw that headline, it didn't occur to me that they were also banning the little plastic bags in the fruit section.  Those bastards!!

Unless it's new (like in the last 3 months), the produce section bags are still available in CA at no charge.

[230RN]

There is a serious problem with reusable bags for groceries.

They create a risk for food poisoning.

https://foodpoisoningbulletin.com/2013/e-coli-infections-spike-after-plastic-bag-ban-in-california/

Do you wash your re-usuable bags out every time you use them?  Does anyone? 

Is that for real?  It smacks of the "study set up to prove  a thesis" stuff we've been seeing.  I may be getting jaundiced, but I'm developing a strong negative reaction whenever I see the phrase "studies show."

MillCreek?  Comment?

Terry

[makattak]

Is that for real?  It smacks of the "study set up to prove  a thesis" stuff we've been seeing.  I may be getting jaundiced, but I'm developing a strong negative reaction whenever I see the phrase "studies show."

MillCreek?  Comment?

Terry

The study is linked and published:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2196481

Looks legit to me.

[MechAg94]

If you put food in or on something and never clean it, don't be surprised if the wrong stuff starts growing in it. 

[MechAg94]

Unless it's new (like in the last 3 months), the produce section bags are still available in CA at no charge.

They said "ALL" plastic bags.  I guess that wasn't accurate. 

[makattak]

Unless it's new (like in the last 3 months), the produce section bags are still available in CA at no charge.

I must be a terrible offender. I will bag my meat in the small plastic bags and THEN put it in separate plastic bags from everything else. Chicken will often get double bagged before put into a plastic bag.

SHUN AWAY!

[MillCreek]

^^^My wife says that in the employee break room and the kids' cafeteria at her elementary school, reusable silicone bags are all the rage now for packing lunches.  She has pointed them out to me at the local Target.

[Perd Hapley]

^^^My wife says that in the employee break room and the kids' cafeteria at her elementary school, reusable silicone bags are all the rage now for packing lunches.  She has pointed them out to me at the local Target.

I had a metal lunch box - Pigs In Space edition.

[HeroHog]

https://youtu.be/cUtZXrNKlHg

[230RN]

The study is linked and published:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2196481

Looks legit to me.

OK, thanks.  Wow.  Confirms my oft-stated opinion that ecological efforts are like poking a finger into a kid's party balloon.  You push in here, it bulges out somewhere else.

Again, thanks.

Terry, 230RN

[230RN]

If you put food in or on something and never clean it, don't be surprised if the wrong stuff starts growing in it.  

So I guess the solution would be for them to provide disposable plastic bag liners for your re-usable cloth bags to prevent their contamination.

Right?

Riiiiiight.  There you go.

Terry runs and hides.

[Doggy Daddy]

I may be getting jaundiced, but I'm developing a strong negative reaction whenever I see the phrase "studies show."

Terry

I have the same reaction to "well, it seems to me that..."

(appeal to self-authority?)

[230RN]

^
Well, it seems to me that "well, it seems to me" is clearly labeled as a personal opinion, presumably based on at-hand information, and does not carry the weight of "science" to the listener as does "studies show."

Me, still in hiding.  Shhhhhh.

[Doggy Daddy]

^
Well, it seems to me that "well, it seems to me" is clearly labeled as a personal opinion, presumably based on at-hand information, and does not carry the weight of "science" to the listener as does "studies show."

Me, still in hiding.  Shhhhhh.

No.  Not in the way that irritates me.  It is clearly meant as "well, you can figure all you like, but I'm a sensible man, and it seems to me that..."

[230RN]

Glass half full / glass half empty situation, I guess.

How did you find me?  I'm still in hiding.

[cordex]

Paper bags can be reused for range origami.

Cut the paper bag in half, then separate a couple seams and you end up with two torso-shaped targets.

[MechAg94]

Paper bags can be reused for range origami.

Cut the paper bag in half, then separate a couple seams and you end up with two torso-shaped targets.

That is what plastic bottles and jugs are for.

[MechAg94]

Glass half full / glass half empty situation, I guess.

How did you find me?  I'm still in hiding.

I have made a study of the subject and it seems to me that studies show that plastic bags are better than many alternatives and most of the plastic pollution problem isn't happening in this country anyway.

[fifth_column]

So I guess the solution would be for them to provide disposable plastic bag liners for your re-usable cloth bags to prevent their contamination.

Right?

Riiiiiight.  There you go.

Terry runs and hides.

Seems to me (heh, heh) the cloth bags can simply be thrown in a washer occasionally . . . . .

[230RN]

Seems to me (heh, heh) the cloth bags can simply be thrown in a washer occasionally . . . .

And how much energy, water,  chemicals, and drying energy is used in sanitizing them?  I know it's hard to parcel out in a regular batch of laundry and it don't look like much, but it ain't zero.

You push in the balloon here and it bulges out there.

Oh, and my time and personal effort ain't zero, neither.

You push in the balloon here and it bulges out there.  Ayup.

Look, I ain't against conservation..  What I'm sayin' is you gotta look at the entire energy picture realistically, for example, from harvesting and processing the cotton to the final cloth sack product*, as opposed to drilling the wells and pumping the oil and the energy used in refining the crude to make a plastic grocery bag.

Sound ridiculous?  Well, perhaps, but you've got to do some real analysis beyond the benefit of "feeling good" about a conservation measure.

You push in the balloon here and it bulges out there.

Terry, 230RN

* Not forgetting the fact that the cloth sack's energy costs can be amortized out over the number of uses it takes to wear it out.

[makattak]

And how much energy, water,  chemicals, and drying energy is used in sanitizing them?  I know it's hard to parcel out in a regular batch of laundry and it don't look like much, but it ain't zero.

You push in the balloon here and it bulges out there.

Oh, and my time and personal effort ain't zero, neither.

You push in the balloon here and it bulges out there.  Ayup.

Look, I ain't against conservation..  What I'm sayin' is you gotta look at the entire energy picture realistically, for example, from harvesting and processing the cotton to the final cloth sack product*, as opposed to drilling the wells and pumping the oil and the energy used in refining the crude to make a plastic grocery bag.

Sound ridiculous?  Well, perhaps, but you've got to do some real analysis beyond the benefit of "feeling good" about a conservation measure.

You push in the balloon here and it bulges out there.

Terry, 230RN

* Not forgetting the fact that the cloth sack's energy costs can be amortized out over the number of uses it takes to wear it out.

Related, and important, cloth diapers are far harder on the environment than disposable ones. The amount of energy and waste to sanitize the diapers for reuse far exceeds what it takes to produce (and dispose!) of disposable diapers.

But the "woke" virtue signalers don't care. They use the cloth diapers, just like they use cloth bags. That are far more damaging and costly, BUT THEY ARE CONSPICUOUS, which is the more important feature. They are a sign that they are "better" than the hoi polloi, which is what this is all about.