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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #500 on: October 08, 2022, 12:48:16 PM »
Are you one of those lefties that's into stealth editing history?

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #501 on: October 09, 2022, 12:46:52 AM »
Filming to resume
A "settlement" has been reportedly reached with Hutchins family and her husband will be executive producer.

Does this seem a bit on the weird side to you?

Alec Baldwin shooting: Filming to resume after Halyna Hutchins death on set
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-63149155

I would have thought the project would be shelved. But I guess the movie's got a lot of buzz now. Gotta cash in.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #502 on: November 12, 2022, 01:43:40 PM »
Running his mouth and filing a lawsuit

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    Alec Baldwin says Halyna Hutchins's family and others are suing him because they are money-motivated https://t.co/EdCUodS6WB

    — Daily Mail Celebrity (@DailyMailCeleb) March 8, 2022

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    Alec Baldwin has filed a lawsuit in California against several individuals associated with the “Rust” film, according to a cross-complaint obtained by CNN https://t.co/QWmIktWY4O

    — CNN (@CNN) November 12, 2022
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/11/12/alec-baldwin-reportedly-suing-crew-members-on-rust-set-for-giving-him-a-loaded-gun/


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Baldwin’s suit names Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the film’s rookie armorer who was in charge of handling guns and ammunition, as well as assistant director David Halls, who handed the loaded gun to Baldwin after he announced it was safe.

Sarah Zachry, the head of the crew’s props department, and Seth Kenney, who supplied the guns and ammunition to the set, were also named.
Alec Baldwin sues several ‘Rust’ crew members for handing him loaded gun
https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/alec-baldwin-sues-rust-crew-members-for-handing-him-loaded-gun/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #503 on: November 12, 2022, 04:59:50 PM »
so, he is really going to get away with negligent homicide?? :mad:
 
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #504 on: November 12, 2022, 05:35:02 PM »
so, he is really going to get away with negligent homicide?? :mad:

Probably.

Money talks.

Check out the video of the cops at the scene, on the day of the incident. A woman has just been killed by a negligent discharge of a loaded firearm, and all the cops want to do is find away to write it off as an accident so they can wash their hands of it.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/alec-baldwin-sues-rust-crew-members-for-handing-him-loaded-gun/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #505 on: November 12, 2022, 10:18:37 PM »
so, he is really going to get away with negligent homicide?? :mad:
 

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #506 on: November 13, 2022, 12:56:03 AM »
Yes.

The elite live under a completely different set of rules than we do.

If we put Alec Baldwin in jail, he'd never be able to stop the gun violence epidemic with common sense gun safety laws.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #507 on: November 13, 2022, 08:24:29 AM »
If we put Alec Baldwin in jail, he'd never be able to stop the gun violence epidemic with common sense gun safety laws.

I can see a Public Service Announcement with Mr. Baldwin pointing a gun at the camera pleading "pass another gun law before I kill AGAIN".
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #508 on: December 23, 2022, 12:54:28 AM »
The incident is back in the news. The assistant director -- the person who handed the loaded gun to Baldwin -- has countersued Baldwin.

https://www.newser.com/story/329431/rust-litigation-gets-ever-messier.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_entertainment_img_b

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But Halls wants Baldwin, armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, and her assistant Seth Kenney to be held liable for any harm suffered by Mitchell, not him, as their "active and primary negligence" caused the incident, ...

I wouldn't mind seeing Baldwin hit with a big penalty, but I don't think Halls should be the one to get it. He IS the person who handed a loaded firearm to an actor and declared it a "cold gun" without checking it and without having been present while it was being loaded -- which industry protocols required him to be.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #509 on: December 24, 2022, 09:03:33 PM »
I was thinking about the case a few days ago, people like us should show up and protest Alec and his band of mundane idiots anywhere they go, as well as protest whatever agency that should have prosecuted
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #510 on: December 26, 2022, 12:00:55 AM »
Chris, that is definitely what we SHOULD do... But that requires that people make time...
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #511 on: January 19, 2023, 11:16:11 AM »

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #512 on: January 19, 2023, 11:21:36 AM »
What's the over/under on a plea deal down to some community service?

I'd love to see an actual felony conviction here.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #513 on: January 19, 2023, 11:24:39 AM »
What's the over/under on a plea deal down to some community service?

I'd love to see an actual felony conviction here.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #514 on: January 19, 2023, 11:27:20 AM »
Even if convicted I can see a Biden pardon for his BFF
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #515 on: January 19, 2023, 11:27:27 AM »
What's the over/under on a plea deal down to some community service?

I'd love to see an actual felony conviction here.

Same, but they'll throw a bunch of money and a couple of high-powered lawyers at it so it will probably end up like you said. Probably a couple of PSAs about safety or a much-lauded series of "work" details that don't involve much more than a photo op.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #516 on: January 19, 2023, 11:28:04 AM »
Baldwin and armorer charged with involuntary manslaughter.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-fatal-rust-shooting-district-attorney

Well, I'm confused. How could each of them be charged with two counts of manslaughter when only one person died?

And why wasn't the assistant director -- the guy who handed Baldwin the gun and proclaimed it "cold" -- charged?
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #517 on: January 19, 2023, 11:43:18 AM »
Well, I'm confused. How could each of them be charged with two counts of manslaughter when only one person died?

And why wasn't the assistant director -- the guy who handed Baldwin the gun and proclaimed it "cold" -- charged?

I can't answer the first question, although the article suggests that there are 2 different crimes in NM called "involuntary manslaughter" and the jury will decide which (if either) fits.

The second part, "Assistant director Dave Halls signed a plea agreement for a charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon. The terms of his agreement included a suspended sentence and six months of probation, the district attorney announced."
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #518 on: January 19, 2023, 12:06:44 PM »
The second part, "Assistant director Dave Halls signed a plea agreement for a charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon. The terms of his agreement included a suspended sentence and six months of probation, the district attorney announced."

I presume that's a misdemeanor.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #519 on: January 19, 2023, 12:08:19 PM »

The second part, "Assistant director Dave Halls signed a plea agreement for a charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon. The terms of his agreement included a suspended sentence and six months of probation, the district attorney announced."

Aha. Thanks.

That explains how Halls wasn't charged in this round-up, but I think he got off very light. At least he didn't skate completely in the clear.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #520 on: January 19, 2023, 12:45:23 PM »
Baldwin and armorer charged with involuntary manslaughter.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-fatal-rust-shooting-district-attorney
Maybe it is due to definitions, but I am not sure how the armorer would be guilty of manslaughter.  Negligence or accessary maybe, but manslaughter no.  On the other hand, Balwin was the head guy in charge and knew what was going on prior to the shooting.  The armorer wasn't even there at the time of the shooter if I remember right. 
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #521 on: January 19, 2023, 12:59:37 PM »
Maybe it is due to definitions, but I am not sure how the armorer would be guilty of manslaughter.  Negligence or accessary maybe, but manslaughter no.  On the other hand, Balwin was the head guy in charge and knew what was going on prior to the shooting.  The armorer wasn't even there at the time of the shooter if I remember right.



B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.

Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.

Were I to guess, I would say that the prosecutor will argue that she was in charge of the usage, storage, and condition of firearms that were going to be pointed at other people on the set(a lawful act which might produce death) and she failed to keep control of live rounds on the set (acted without due caution).  But that's just a guess.  IANAL and all that.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #522 on: January 19, 2023, 11:18:51 PM »
Better article here ( https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2023-01-19/alec-baldwin-charged-rust-movie-hannah-gutierrez-halls-involuntary-manslaughter ), but it still doesn't answer all the questions I have.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #523 on: January 20, 2023, 12:30:50 AM »
Outraged is Baldwin's operational default.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Incident
« Reply #524 on: January 20, 2023, 10:40:41 PM »
The opinion pieces in the news today are falling all over themselves excusing Baldwin.  Nobody seems to give a *expletive deleted*it about the overworked armorer/propmaster (those are separate jobs and she was covering both)   :mad:  I suspect she's the only one who will really be punished.
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