“Law” is Not Determinative of Conduct

[Bosco1]

No problem. Other than you've already called us fools and told us it's impossible for you to write it in simpler terms than in your OP. But if you can dumb it down for us simpletons, I'll certainly give it a read.

Really appreciate you posting my 2018 writing. It is totally beautiful... Let it be enough to indicate what I am about...

[Tuco]

As a rule, nobody here agrees with anybody. We like it that way ... it keeps life interesting.

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[Ron]

So, if absolutely everything I say is demonstrably wrong, then, if you are so precise, demonstrate how and why something I said is wrong!

The blank slate, tabula rasa, has turned out to not really be true. There are aspects of our behaviors, tendencies and abilities that are hardwired. Some parts of our psychological makeup are more malleable than others, and not everyone has the same starting psychological makeup.   

The wiki article on tabula rasa is good enough to show its weaknesses as a theory. It has footnotes and links.

A philosophy or ideology that includes the unproven presuppositional belief that humans start as blank slates is building on a very shaky foundation, in my humble opinion.

[Bosco1]

The blank slate, tabula rasa, has turned out to not really be true. There are aspects of our behaviors, tendencies and abilities that are hardwired. Some parts of our psychological makeup are more malleable than others, and not everyone has the same starting psychological makeup.   

The wiki article on tabula rasa is good enough to show its weaknesses as a theory. It has footnotes and links.



A philosophy or ideology that includes the unproven presuppositional belief that humans start as blank slates is building on a very shaky foundation, in my humble opinion.

I did not at all build my OP on the notion of blank slate. That just came up as an aside during member interaction.

[HeroHog]

WTF did I stumble into now?

[RoadKingLarry]

WTF did I stumble into now?

Wipe your feet and take a shower after you leave.

[230RN]

WTF did I stumble into now?

You stumbled into a mish mash of posts where one apparently very verbose individual (Bosco1) has decided he must be the one to point out some philosophical discoveries he made in the writings of the dubiously qualified philospher J. P. Sartre (which see) on laws and human behavior.

His escalating frustration with our inability to understand or accept his rather convoluted language and laud him as some kind of philosphical Pulitzer Prize Winner has made him decay into insulting remarks about our intelligence and inability to understand his rather prolix pronouncements.

All credit to cordex for attempting to clarify his, Bosco1's, unending muddy "thinking" and terrible "writing" to extract any value in what he, Bosco1, is attempting to convey.

It is time for cordex to accept honorable defeat in the fact that there is very little in Bosco1's output to justify umpteen pages of discourse (which has had some entertaining aspects) and he should close the thread with thanks to Bosco1 for the opportunity to review his insights.

That's a big nutshell, but there it is.

Terry, 230RN

[HeroHog]

Right, well, back to my pain killers and anime then!

[230RN]

Right, well, back to my pain killers and anime then!

Good move.  And so should we all return to our prior activities, Amen.

[Bosco1]

You stumbled into a mish mash of posts where one apparently very verbose individual (Bosco1) has decided he must be the one to point out some philosophical discoveries he made in the writings of the dubiously qualified philospher J. P. Sartre (which see) on laws and human behavior.

His escalating frustration with our inability to understand or accept his rather convoluted language and laud him as some kind of philosphical Pulitzer Prize Winner has made him decay into insulting remarks about our intelligence and inability to understand his rather prolix pronouncements.

All credit to cordex for attempting to clarify his, Bosco1's, unending muddy "thinking" and terrible "writing" to extract any value in what he, Bosco1, is attempting to convey.

It is time for cordex to accept honorable defeat in the fact that there is very little in Bosco1's output to justify umpteen pages of discourse (which has had some entertaining aspects) and he should close the thread with thanks to Bosco1 for the opportunity to review his insights.

That's a big nutshell, but there it is.

Terry, 230RN

A multiplicity of freaks here have extensively radically insulted me and, in fact, conducted themselves in a totally ignorant fashion, by claiming that Sartre's writing is inacceptable because he once communicated with some communistic persons in Cuba. So, don't make it sound as if I am characterizing these several members as stuck on illogical/stupid just out of the blue for no valid reason!

[HeroHog]

A multiplicity of freaks here...

Have I been insulted? I think I may have been insulted! I don't recall urinating in the poster's toasted oat breakfast cereal...

[Bosco1]

Have I been insulted? I think I may have been insulted! I don't recall urinating in the poster's toasted oat breakfast cereal...

No Sir you have not been insulted unless you are among those here who rail against persons and not the person's position.

[dogmush]

A summary of the 14 pages:

Bosco1: The law does not determine or cause humans to act. Each human makes a choice to act or not internally. Some people think the law does cause action, but they are wrong.

APS: No *expletive deleted*it the law doesn't cause action, humans have free will. Also no one really thinks it does, despite idioms that may have been used in your trials.

Bosco1: you are radically ignorant.

And now you're up to date HeroHog.

[Ben]

A multiplicity of freaks here have extensively radically insulted me and, in fact, conducted themselves in a totally ignorant fashion, by claiming that Sartre's writing is inacceptable because he once communicated with some communistic persons in Cuba. So, don't make it sound as if I am characterizing these several members as stuck on illogical/stupid just out of the blue for no valid reason!

Your variable IQ seems to be stuck in low gear.

Also, note that even though you have broken the laws of this forum, you have not yet been punished.

Also, Ad Hominem.

Also,  https://youtu.be/VSKn8RlD7Is

[Bosco1]

A summary of the 14 pages:

Bosco1: The law does not determine or cause humans to act. Each human makes a choice to act or not internally. Some people think the law does cause action, but they are wrong.

APS: No *expletive deleted*it the law doesn't cause action, humans have free will. Also no one really thinks it does, despite idioms that may have been used in your trials.

Bosco1: you are radically ignorant.

And now you're up to date HeroHog.

That is an unfair characterization of what has happened here. Certain persons have acted ignorantly and very insultingly!

[dogmush]

That is an unfair characterization of what has happened here. Certain persons have acted ignorantly and very insultingly!

Yes, but for the most part we haven't called you out on it.

[WLJ]

If you call someone ignorant for having a different opinion expect some push back in return, it's human nature. You know, that thing you claim doesn't exist.

[lee n. field]

A multiplicity of freaks here have extensively radically insulted me and, in fact, conducted themselves in a totally ignorant fashion, by claiming that Sartre's writing is inacceptable because he once communicated with some communistic persons in Cuba. So, don't make it sound as if I am characterizing these several members as stuck on illogical/stupid just out of the blue for no valid reason!

https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034

[lee n. field]

That is an unfair characterization of what has happened here. Certain persons have acted ignorantly and very insultingly!

This forum been around for a good while.  Suggest you peruse whatever else is going on here in.

[230RN]

This forum been around for a good while.  Suggest you peruse whatever else is going on here in.

Perish the thought.  This nonsense shows a good reason why political discussions (if that's what this is) are not permitted on some boards.  I realize this thread has increased the hit count or rate, but one of the downsides is that prospective new members may consider APS as a bunch of idiots on account of this thread --entertaining as it may be to some participants.

Not good publicity for APS, IMO.

However, I figure if the mods and admins allow it to go on, I might as well join in the fun.

Bosco1:

A multiplicity of freaks here have extensively radically insulted me and, in fact, conducted themselves in a totally ignorant fashion, by claiming that Sartre's writing is inacceptable because he once communicated with some communistic persons in Cuba.

I don't see a cause-effect relationship there, please explain why one (if it occured) could cause the other.

I missed wherever that supposed relationship was brought up.  Where did this allegation occur?

Terry, 230RN

[Bosco1]

Perish the thought.  This nonsense shows a good reason why political discussions (if that's what this is) are not permitted on some boards.  I realize this thread has increased the hit count or rate, but one of the downsides is that prospective new members may consider APS as a bunch of idiots on account of this thread --entertaining as it may be to some participants.

Not good publicity for APS, IMO.

However, I figure if the mods and admins allow it to go on, I might as well join in the fun.

Bosco1:
I don't see a cause-effect relationship there, please explain why one (if it occured) could cause the other.

I missed wherever that supposed relationship was brought up.  Where did this allegation occur?

Terry, 230RN

The one caused the other via the hateful bigoted mentalities of the members holding that fallacious position.

[HeroHog]

The one caused the other via the hateful bigoted mentalities of the members holding that fallacious position.

IN YOUR OPINION

[WLJ]

The one caused the other via the hateful bigoted mentalities of the members holding that fallacious position.

You just called most if not every member of this forum a hateful bigot.

[cordex]

The one caused the other via the hateful bigoted mentalities of the members holding that fallacious position.

None are determinative of behavior though.

[HeroHog]

https://youtu.be/xpAvcGcEc0k