Israel Under Attack

[RocketMan]

Biden going to Israel. What the heck is he going to do?

Fall on some plane steps?

[Cliffh]

Disrupt the hell out of an area getting ready for war.  The security protecting him is likely to FUBAR whichever area he visits.

[Ron]

Got it, thanks.  So the quote came from this article: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/juniper-cobra-begins-with-us-and-idf-troops-simulating-missile-attacks-544598

It looks to me like the snippet in the tweet wasn't an actual quote, it was an interpretation by the author that to me reads as a response to a question about US tolerance for casualties.Not sure that Clark's actual statement was particularly noteworthy.  The author's editorial description of it was certainly going to fire up people with certain political and religious persuasions.

Well I guess we'll know if the to word comes down about possibly deployments to Israel above and beyond the Navy who are already being involved.

Austin "placed approximately 2,000 personnel and a range of units on a heightened state of readiness through a prepare-to-deploy order," Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh said in the emailed statement.

The order is just the latest in a series of deployments and posture adjustments, including the movement of two carrier strike groups and a Marine expeditionary unit to the region, that have been announced by the Pentagon in recent days to bolster support of Israel as it wages war against Hamas, a Palestinian group that rules the Gaza Strip and launched a terrorist attack earlier this month.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/10/17/pentagon-orders-2000-troops-prepare-deploy-israel-war-prompts-growing-us-military-presence.html

[Angel Eyes]

[JN01]

Fall on some plane steps?

While babbling incoherently.

[bedlamite]

Biden going to Israel. What the heck is he going to do?

trip on the stairs.

[Boomhauer]

Biden going to Israel. What the heck is he going to do?

Knowing Democrats he’s going to announce a historic funding bill for HAMAS

[K Frame]

OOPSIE!

At least 3 students who signed the "Israel is the root of all evil and is totally responsible for all of the death and destruction" letters at Harvard and Colombia has had job offers at prestigious law firms rescinded.

Other corporate leaders are also speaking out, saying they will not hire anyone who has signed those letters.

Good.

BUTBUTBUTBUTBUT... MAH FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!

Actions have consequences, bitches.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/3-law-students-from-harvard-and-columbia-lost-job-offers-over-student-organizations-statements-on-the-israel-hamas-war/ar-AA1ioByA?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=60e38c344d17422ca2477ac744f343dd&ei=6

[WLJ]

trip on the stairs.

And Trippy is his name-O

[MillCreek]

OOPSIE!

At least 3 students who signed the "Israel is the root of all evil and is totally responsible for all of the death and destruction" letters at Harvard and Colombia has had job offers at prestigious law firms rescinded.

Other corporate leaders are also speaking out, saying they will not hire anyone who has signed those letters.

Good.

BUTBUTBUTBUTBUT... MAH FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!

Actions have consequences, bitches.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/3-law-students-from-harvard-and-columbia-lost-job-offers-over-student-organizations-statements-on-the-israel-hamas-war/ar-AA1ioByA?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=60e38c344d17422ca2477ac744f343dd&ei=6

The kids apparently failed to realize that the large law firms on the East Coast, especially New York, have enormous numbers of Jewish clients who may not appreciate the activism of the new associate on their case.

[WLJ]

Won't convince everyone but if true whoops

n an audio clip procured by Israeli military intelligence, two alleged Hamas terrorists can be heard discussing the explosion and confirming the rocket came from Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) - an independent jihadist group.

'They are saying (the rocket) belongs to Palestinian Islamic Jihad. It's from us?' one alleged Hamas member asks in the clip provided by Israel's military intelligence.

'It looks like it,' the other responded. 'It misfired and fell on them... God bless - couldn't it have found another place to explode?'

The alleged recording came after Israeli officials released a video of the moment a rocket purportedly streaking towards Israel from Gaza appears to suffer a problem and suddenly changes course before flaming out.

In the darkness, it is not clear whether the rocket broke apart or simply lost its trajectory. 

But moments later, a pair of explosions erupt in the city below - the result of what Israel claims was the rocket falling back to Earth and striking the al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City.

Israel releases 'audio of Hamas operatives discussing failed rocket launch' and video showing missile exploding in the sky moments before blast killed hundreds at Gaza hospital
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12643229/Israel-blast-Gaza-hospital-Palestine-video-rocket-misfire.html

[K Frame]

Hamas and similar groups have a LONG and "proud" history of using hospitals, schools, and other non-combatant facilities as shields for combat operations, and then screaming and crying and finger pointing when something does actually happen.

Do I know that was the case here? No.

Do I suspect it to have been the case? Yes.

Would Israel have been, by the rules of war, allowed to strike the hospital if they knew for a fact it was being used for military operations? Yes.

Once again, though, I have a REALLY hard time ginning up much pity at all.

[Ben]

I can't remember where I read it yesterday, but apparently one of the reasons the hospital incident was so devastating was because the hospital was being used as a hamas munitions dump, and the stored munitions contributed to the damage.

[K Frame]

I can't remember where I read it yesterday, but apparently one of the reasons the hospital incident was so devastating was because the hospital was being used as a hamas munitions dump, and the stored munitions contributed to the damage.

And that, by the rules of war, makes it a legitimate military target.

Even though it was a legitimate target, I sincerely doubt that Israel targeted the facility. While I don't believe everything that Israel claims, I believe absolutely NOTHING that Hamas claims.

[cordex]

While I don't believe everything that Israel claims, I believe absolutely NOTHING that Hamas claims.

If you look at the reporting there is a definite presumption of veracity from Hamas' claims and a presumption of falsehood to everything Israel claims.

I'm certain Israel will lie in service of propaganda, but the idea that Hamas is trustworthy has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a while.

[MechAg94]

I can't remember where I read it yesterday, but apparently one of the reasons the hospital incident was so devastating was because the hospital was being used as a hamas munitions dump, and the stored munitions contributed to the damage.

It would be interesting to see proof of that.  However, it fits with past actions.  They have used ambulances and red cross vehicles to do attacks before.  Once of the previous wars they complained that Israel hit a civilian building, then Israel put out video showing artillery or rockets firing from the top of it. (may have been Hezbollah)

[Ben]

Some video here seems to show the hospital intact, and most of the damage confined to the hospital grounds, with only minimal building damage. Much of this was apparently Al Jazeera reporting, which kinda puts our conclusion-jumping MSM to shame.

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/10/18/twitter-account-embarrasses-journalists-by-performing-actual-journalism-with-hospital-bombing-n2388679

[MechAg94]

Free Palestine? No thanks! (The Israeli perspective you’ve probably never heard.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNf40sBcvKk

This appeared on my feed.  Talks a bit (among other things) about the history of the area prior to 1947 and perhaps just after.  Fits with what I have heard/read before.  I am sure you could call it a biased source. 

[WLJ]

Meanwhile at the NYT
And the picture isn't even of the hospital

https://twitter.com/JerylBier/status/1714619599017157072/photo/2

[WLJ]

"You furnish the pictures, I'll provide the war!"
-William Randolph Hearst, 1897

[WLJ]

Some video here seems to show the hospital intact, and most of the damage confined to the hospital grounds, with only minimal building damage. Much of this was apparently Al Jazeera reporting, which kinda puts our conclusion-jumping MSM to shame.

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/10/18/twitter-account-embarrasses-journalists-by-performing-actual-journalism-with-hospital-bombing-n2388679

Yep, the hospital is intact with only superficial damage.

Al Jazeera can often be, not always mind you, surprisingly neutral in their reporting.

[K Frame]

So... where did the "hundreds of dead" come from, then?

[WLJ]

So... where did the "hundreds of dead" come from, then?

The source should be your first clue, not that I trust Israeli sources 100%

[WLJ]

ABC

https://twitter.com/BigFish3000/status/1714650307609997612/photo/1

[WLJ]

More

If this wasn't doctored in some way they were firing rockets right over the hospital

Israeli TV station reveals new livestream footage claiming to be proof rocket fired from Gaza malfunctioned mid-air moments before devastating explosion at hospital that killed hundreds
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12645519/Israeli-TV-station-reveals-new-livestream-footage-claiming-proof-rocket-fired-Gaza-malfunctioned-mid-air-moments-devastating-explosion-hospital-killed-hundreds.html