This is so contradictory it’s hard to unpick. You think it was wrong to drop European immigrants where they weren’t wanted, and you think people have a right to resist deprivation of their property and liberty - but you don’t think Arabs have that right because as a race they aren’t good at “running things” whatever that means?
Do you think the rights to liberty and property can be forfeited based on a person’s race?
Let me see if I can explain better, since I obviously did not do a good job. Thomas Sowell discusses what he calls the "quest for cosmic justice"… an example of this would be when the left tries to rectify the wrongs of the distant past by screwing over people today, and this never goes well. Such as, trying to correct the harms of slavery by discriminating against white people today, or reparations.
I live on land taken from Indians by the Indian Removal Act of 1830. It was of doubtful legality. Was this a bad thing to do? Probably so. Did the Indians in 1830 have a right to resist? Sure. Should I be expected to give my house to Creek Indians now because of possible wrongs suffered by their ancestors in 1830? No. The aggrieved parties are dead, and I am not responsible for the Trail of Tears. If a hypothetical modern day independent Creek nation attempted to attack the USA and regain the land lost by the Indian Removal Act of 1830, it would be foolish, but understandable, assuming this hypothetical Creek nation followed the laws of war. Foolish, because, once again, of the stupidity of the quest for cosmic justice, which is exactly what it would be. I would resist, once again, because I am not responsible for the wrongs of the distant past. I am not bound to let myself be screwed over because Andrew Jackson was an jerk to Indians who have been dead for over a hundred years.
Now Zionism
in the past was also "the quest for cosmic justice" and foolish as well, in my opinion. Because Jews lost the Holy Land in 79 AD, it did not give them a right to the land after WW2.
Did the Arabs in the Holy Land have the right to resist Zionism? Maybe so (it is unclear because they did not actually rule the area, but were subjects of the British Empire… possibly the Brits had a right to give control of the land to the Jews, I am not sure). Anyway, the Arabs did resist at the time, and the Jews and Arabs did not obey the laws of war… both sides violated the laws of war flagrantly at times. The Arabs lost the wars, just as the Creek Indians did. If the Arabs behaved better back then, then their descendants would be in better shape, just like the Creek Indians of today might be in better shape if their ancestors hadn't committed the Fort Mims Massacre, and convinced white Americans to hate them. (and of course the Jews in Israel might be in better shape had their zionist ancestors behaved better).
The Arab inhabitants of the Holy Land don't have a right to the land of their ancestors. They lost it. Trying to get it back by force is another stupid example of the quest for cosmic justice, which leads to horror. I can understand why they would try to do so, but that is an emotional reaction on their part that is foolish in the extreme. The fact that Hamas does not obey the laws of war in their stupid attempts, but use rape, murder and kidnapping as SOPs means I despise them and hope that all who participate in such things are killed. If they did follow the laws of war, I would think they were foolish and wrong, but not evil.
Zionism
today (in that the nation of Israel has a right to continue their existence)- I agree with it, because they are living people who have established a nation in fact. Any of the younger Israelis, which would be almost all of them, have zero responsibility for the crimes of Irgun in the past, nor the stupidity of the British Empire for the Balfour Declaration.
Do you think the rights to liberty and property can be forfeited based on a person’s race?The Arabs in Palestine lost their property in land because they (or their ancestors) fought wars against Israel and lost them, not because of their race (Arabs and Jews are the same race anyway). They don't have a right to land lost in the distant past (the stupid quest for cosmic justice thing) nor do they have a right to lands lost if they pick a fight with Israel and lose. For elderly Arabs who lost property in the wars, well, too bad for them, that's what happens when you declare war on another nation and lose. Arab nations expelled hundreds of thousands of Jews from their lands, and Israel expelled lots of Arabs from their conquered lands… I am not aware of either side compensating the other for their loss of property.
I hope this post explains my position more clearly.
