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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #775 on: December 31, 2023, 08:16:48 PM »
^^^^Is that a fiberglass hull?
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« Reply #776 on: December 31, 2023, 08:46:34 PM »
^^^^Is that a fiberglass hull?

Not fiberglass. I'm pretty sure aluminum, but I can't remember for sure anymore. Might have been steel, though the price tag probably tends to aluminum.

EDIT: That question got me wondering if I'm completely misremembering, because blowing up some other photos I have, it does kinda look like molded construction. Though these guys used to beach and beat up their boats all the time, and I'm not sure fiberglass would survive doing that for very long. I'm not in contact anymore with anyone I can ask if I'm remembering wrong. They might have had a spray coating over the aluminum for some minimal radar reflection reduction.
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« Reply #777 on: December 31, 2023, 09:03:43 PM »
A couple of our helos took down Houthi attack boats that were shooting at them.

https://youtu.be/JgHloespf_I


Houthi rebels, getting to meet Allah face to face courtesy of the United States Navy.

But, pity they only sank 3 of the 4.
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« Reply #778 on: January 01, 2024, 09:19:59 AM »
Terrorism warnings going out for tonight

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-law-enforcement-brace-potential-threats-during-new-years-eve-bash

No big incidents last night that I'm aware of.
Some protestors though did try to shut things down in some places.
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« Reply #779 on: January 01, 2024, 05:47:35 PM »
Not fiberglass. I'm pretty sure aluminum, but I can't remember for sure anymore. Might have been steel, though the price tag probably tends to aluminum.

EDIT: That question got me wondering if I'm completely misremembering, because blowing up some other photos I have, it does kinda look like molded construction. Though these guys used to beach and beat up their boats all the time, and I'm not sure fiberglass would survive doing that for very long. I'm not in contact anymore with anyone I can ask if I'm remembering wrong. They might have had a spray coating over the aluminum for some minimal radar reflection reduction.

The couple Super Pangas I got up and personal with while operating out of San Diego and Port Hueneme were fiberglass.  There's probably some substantial variation in construction though.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #780 on: January 01, 2024, 06:08:34 PM »
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« Reply #781 on: January 01, 2024, 06:15:53 PM »
The couple Super Pangas I got up and personal with while operating out of San Diego and Port Hueneme were fiberglass.  There's probably some substantial variation in construction though.

If that's what you saw at NBVC, then it was my bad memory. Those boats were supposedly all coming out of the same place, at least circa 2012. Some different sizes. The one in the pics was one of the bigger ones, I think like 60-65'. It took up an entire end tie at SB Harbor.

There was a short period in that timeframe where they were being sighted and found all over the coast and out at the islands. In fact one of them, while being boarded off Santa Cruz Island, made a break for it, rammed the patrol boat (might have been a RHIB), and ran over a coastie who got thrown in the drink, killing him.
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« Reply #782 on: January 01, 2024, 10:05:01 PM »
I doubt few of you know what bail hunting was on the beaches in the '80's.
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« Reply #783 on: January 01, 2024, 10:10:50 PM »
I doubt few of you know what bail hunting was on the beaches in the '80's.

I remember
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #784 on: January 02, 2024, 09:26:22 AM »
Doubt it's anything to worry about but who knows with the Iranians, could be dangerous to a US warship if they got a shot off first otherwise it's a target.
Could fire off a shot or two at a commercial vessel to test this administration's willingness to respond.   

Iranian warship enters Red Sea amid Houthis’ ongoing attacks on commercial vessels
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iranian-warship-enters-red-sea-houthis-ongoing-attacks-commercial-vessels

Info on the class. Iran had 4, we sank one in 1988. Built by the British for the Shah
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvand-class_frigate
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« Reply #785 on: January 02, 2024, 10:20:47 AM »
The Iranian Navy has been working on positioning itself as a blue water navy for a decade and a half or so.  They frequently operate outside the Straits of Hormuz and regularly travel to India, China, through the Red Sea and Suez and into the Med. The last time I was in CENTCOM they were running "Anti pirate and freedom of navigation patrols" in the Gulf of Aden and Red sea pretty continuously.

Remember, Iran functionally has two Navys.  The Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, which has most of the frigates, auxiliary's, all the subs, and some smaller boats, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy, which has two missile corvettes, some amphibs and landing craft and mostly a *expletive deleted*it ton of missile carrying speed boats.  They are completely separate organizations, with a separate chain of command, and are very different to deal with in the ocean.  The IRGCN tends to be the one you need to worry about being aggressive and trying to start wars.  It's also the IRGC not the Iranian Military that funds militant groups like the Houthis.

Which is a long-winded way of saying this boat, or one like it is pretty routinely operating in that area, doing that mission, and there's nothing intrinsically more threatening about this mission than the last 30 times the IRIN transited the Red Sea.  Fox News is breathlessly reporting a common occurrence as if it were new.

Now if you start to see the IRGCN Missile Corvettes or Peykaap class torpedo boats transiting the Straits and heading to the Red Sea, something might be up.

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« Reply #786 on: January 02, 2024, 10:24:57 AM »
The Iranian Navy has been working on positioning itself as a blue water navy for a decade and a half or so.  They frequently operate outside the Straits of Hormuz and regularly travel to India, China, through the Red Sea and Suez and into the Med. The last time I was in CENTCOM they were running "Anti pirate and freedom of navigation patrols" in the Gulf of Aden and Red sea pretty continuously.

Remember, Iran functionally has two Navys.  The Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, which has most of the frigates, auxiliary's, all the subs, and some smaller boats, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy, which has two missile corvettes, some amphibs and landing craft and mostly a *expletive deleted*it ton of missile carrying speed boats.  They are completely separate organizations, with a separate chain of command, and are very different to deal with in the ocean.  The IRGCN tends to be the one you need to worry about being aggressive and trying to start wars.  It's also the IRGC not the Iranian Military that funds militant groups like the Houthis.

Which is a long-winded way of saying this boat, or one like it is pretty routinely operating in that area, doing that mission, and there's nothing intrinsically more threatening about this mission than the last 30 times the IRIN transited the Red Sea.  Fox News is breathlessly reporting a common occurrence as if it were new.

Now if you start to see the IRGCN Missile Corvettes or Peykaap class torpedo boats transiting the Straits and heading to the Red Sea, something might be up.

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« Reply #787 on: January 02, 2024, 12:41:13 PM »
I doubt few of you know what bail hunting was on the beaches in the '80's.

I spent quite a bit of time on detachments to Key West in the early 80's for sonobouy drop testing (among other things). We would always spend a day or so walking the beaches in the Keys looking for square grouper! :)

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« Reply #788 on: January 03, 2024, 08:07:36 AM »
I did not realize that this moron is actually a professor at a CA university, putting these thoughts in her students' heads. Holy hell.

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« Reply #789 on: January 03, 2024, 09:06:27 AM »
Booms in Iran

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At least 73 people have been killed and 170 wounded after two explosions rocked a ceremony that was being held to mark the 2020 assassination of Iran's top commander Qassem Soleimani in a US drone attack.

The first explosion was quickly followed by a second close to a cemetery in the southeastern city of Kerman where thousands had gathered to mark the four-year anniversary of Soleimani's killing.

Has Israel struck again? Blasts kill 70 at ceremony marking death of top Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani - a day after Israeli drone strike wiped out Hamas deputy in Beirut
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12922445/Has-Israel-struck-20-dead-explosions-rock-Iranian-ceremony-marking-anniversary-killing-commander-Qassem-Soleimani-drone-attack.html
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #790 on: January 03, 2024, 10:48:03 AM »
Muh entitlement?
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State Dept issues rare, unprompted critique of ministers by name, days after Biden pressed PM to rein in far-right partners; Ben Gvir unfazed: ‘We are not another star in the US flag’
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-slams-irresponsible-calls-by-smotrich-and-ben-gvir-for-emigration-of-gazans/

OK how about the US cuts Israel loose see where they end up  ;/
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« Reply #791 on: January 03, 2024, 10:51:00 AM »
Booms in Iran

Has Israel struck again? Blasts kill 70 at ceremony marking death of top Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani - a day after Israeli drone strike wiped out Hamas deputy in Beirut
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12922445/Has-Israel-struck-20-dead-explosions-rock-Iranian-ceremony-marking-anniversary-killing-commander-Qassem-Soleimani-drone-attack.html

Updated to say at least 103 killed, 170 injured

Stay tuned folks, this could get bumpy
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« Reply #792 on: January 03, 2024, 10:54:59 AM »
Booms in Iran

Has Israel struck again? Blasts kill 70 at ceremony marking death of top Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani - a day after Israeli drone strike wiped out Hamas deputy in Beirut
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12922445/Has-Israel-struck-20-dead-explosions-rock-Iranian-ceremony-marking-anniversary-killing-commander-Qassem-Soleimani-drone-attack.html

Maybe I'm a little skeptical but my first thought is "false flag".
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« Reply #793 on: January 03, 2024, 12:24:37 PM »
Maybe I'm a little skeptical but my first thought is "false flag".

Given how Israel has been managing things lately* I wouldn't put it past their government getting the brilliant idea of trying to underhandedly poke Iran into direct action so the US is then forced to fully commit to the fight to do the heavy lifting for them.

*Israel has gone full-retard.
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« Reply #794 on: January 03, 2024, 01:46:28 PM »
Given how Israel has been managing things lately* I wouldn't put it past their government getting the brilliant idea of trying to underhandedly poke Iran into direct action so the US is then forced to fully commit to the fight to do the heavy lifting for them.

*Israel has gone full-retard.

OK, this has now moved up several notches on my worry list.
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« Reply #795 on: January 03, 2024, 02:15:09 PM »
Could have been Israel but it's not their usual MO while Iran has more than a few internal groups not happy with the current government.
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« Reply #796 on: January 03, 2024, 02:16:49 PM »
Given how Israel has been managing things lately* I wouldn't put it past their government getting the brilliant idea of trying to underhandedly poke Iran into direct action so the US is then forced to fully commit to the fight to do the heavy lifting for them.

*Israel has gone full-retard.

And on the other hand I would not put it beyond the realm of possibility that the Iranians themselves orchestrated the terror type  bombings in order to escalate their direct involvement in the ongoings in the ME right now. Crowd bombing is so far outside the MO of Israel that I don't buy it. If they want to kill a particular person or group of people they have no issues doing that but indiscriminate crowd bombing is not the way they operate AFAIK.

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« Reply #797 on: January 03, 2024, 02:55:33 PM »
Fair enough, but the issue is that direct involvement doesn't seem to be in Iran's best interest right now. They are already vicariously dealing out more than enough pain through Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. Keeping the US out as much as possible is far more strategic than having an "excuse" to launch direct attacks themselves, and the one thing that would guarantee (I think) full US involvement is Iran's direct involvement.
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« Reply #798 on: January 03, 2024, 03:16:11 PM »
Nobody involved get's the benefit of the doubt from my perspective.
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« Reply #799 on: January 03, 2024, 03:27:51 PM »
Nobody involved get's the benefit of the doubt from my perspective.

Including the US. It is not above the US government to be actively involved in trying to topple foreign governments.

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