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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #375 on: October 25, 2023, 10:04:48 AM »
I suppose it's like the OK sign and other innocuous things. I'm beginning to believe that there's a secret group out there that just makes all this *expletive deleted*it up and then sits back and laughs their asses off as people of all political ideologies take it and run with it.

Yeah, you are absolutely, right, except the group making this stuff up is not secret, it is a bulletin board of evil autistic trolls called 4chan.  They pick things like the OK sign and try and convince morons that it is racist, and they sit back and laugh.  They also do stuff like troll the families of dead people with autopsy photos of their loved ones. 

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #376 on: October 25, 2023, 10:08:42 AM »
It would be nice if the 70% of Jews that vote left would wake up and see their fellow leftist for what they are.  I'm not optimistic about that.

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« Reply #377 on: October 25, 2023, 10:31:06 AM »
It would be nice if the 70% of Jews that vote left would wake up and see their fellow leftist for what they are.  I'm not optimistic about that.

Never happen.

Back in the 1980s some Jewish group was clamoring for more gun control because Jews knew what it was like to suffer at the hands of a government run amok (Nazi Germany).

Some national pundit made the point that maybe, had Jews in Germany been armed, the Holocaust might not have happened, or might not have been nearly as bad.

The reaction from the Jewish group was as vitriolic as it was lacking in basic logic.

In other words... never gonna happen.

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« Reply #378 on: October 25, 2023, 12:09:27 PM »
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« Reply #379 on: October 25, 2023, 03:04:12 PM »
It would be nice if the 70% of Jews that vote left would wake up and see their fellow leftist for what they are.  I'm not optimistic about that.

There was an article 10 or years ago, iirc that addressed that subject. In a nutshell it stated because the Democrat party was more in alignment with core Jewish beliefs than Republican is why a majority of American Jews voted Democrat. American Jews are actually cool with bigger government, more open immigration/refugees/assylum seekers, homosexuality, and they tend to support minorities because they tend to be treated as such.

Now, I'm being wide and somewhat ambiguous and I know at least one of you will read that as absolute statement of all Jews and start pointing out examples of individual Jews who behave differently than the majority.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #380 on: October 25, 2023, 09:32:44 PM »
This is my shocked face

'Squad' members vote against House resolution condemning Hamas attacks against Israel
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6 of the 9 Democrats who voted against the House resolution to condemn Hamas's attacks against Israel were "Squad" members, with the remaining "Squad" members voting present.

H.R. 771, which was voted upon on Wednesday night, passed by a vote of 412-10 with six members voting present.

Reps. André Carson, D-Ind., Al Green, D-Texas, and Delia Ramirez, D-Ill. all voted against the resolution. Joining them were six "Squad" members: Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY., Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., Summer Lee, D-Pa., and Cori Bush, D-Mo.

One Republican, Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., voted against the measure over concerns it could escalate tensions, but still affirmed Israel's right to self defense.

Reps. Greg Casar, D-Texas, and Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., the two other "Squad" members, voted present. Reps. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, Nydia Velázquez, D-N.Y., Jesús "Chuy" Garcia, D-Ill., and Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash. joined them.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/israel-conducts-airstrikes-in-west-bank-syria-overnight-kills-hamas-commander
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #381 on: October 26, 2023, 07:45:49 AM »
I'm wearing out my shocked face

Berkeley Professor Offers Students an Extra Five Points for Joining Student Walkout Over Gaza
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/25/berkeley-professor-offers-students-an-extra-five-points-for-joining-student-walkout-over-gaza-n2388995

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« Reply #382 on: October 26, 2023, 08:26:21 AM »
Harvard has created a "task force" to protect the students who called for the death of Jews. Jewish Harvard students are on their own, I guess. Megyn is right - Harvard is a lost cause.

On the tangent - this is exactly what is destroying the generations coming into adulthood. These students SHOULD be facing unpleasant (but not violent) consequences for their ignorance. It's how people become not ignorant. By coddling them (the students are demanding that Harvard pay to fly them to Palestine, which, if it's a one-way ticket, I'm not opposed). Harvard is only helping them to become selfish, stupid, and worse human beings.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/25/harvard-creates-task-force-for-students-doxxed-over-pro-hamas-statement-n2388996

EDIT: Correction - it's Stanford students that want the plane ride to Palestine.
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« Reply #383 on: October 26, 2023, 08:34:35 AM »
I remember after 9-11 Harvard/Berkeley types were calling on the US to apologizes and make amends for whatever it did to cause it.
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« Reply #384 on: October 26, 2023, 09:49:43 AM »
There was an article 10 or years ago, iirc that addressed that subject. In a nutshell it stated because the Democrat party was more in alignment with core Jewish beliefs than Republican is why a majority of American Jews voted Democrat. American Jews are actually cool with bigger government, more open immigration/refugees/assylum seekers, homosexuality, and they tend to support minorities because they tend to be treated as such.

Now, I'm being wide and somewhat ambiguous and I know at least one of you will read that as absolute statement of all Jews and start pointing out examples of individual Jews who behave differently than the majority.

The Israeli government is pretty socialistic. It makes sense they would align more with Democrats on a lot of issues. The Kibbutz’s are pretty close to communes. They can live and govern how they want.

I’m not really a fan of us funding either side. Or most of the other funding we send all over the world to in many cases what are basically enemies of the US. At least with Israel some of those monies are arms that we pay for, but equate back to American jobs building them. In a realpolitik stance at least Israel is also much more friend than enemy. I also understand many times that funding we send around the world is used to influence policies that we may want. I think a lot of it could be better used domestically or not taken from taxpayers to begin with.

As for Gaza, we should never be giving them money while Hamas is in charge if we should at all. The ‘Palestinians’ voted for Hamas, to a great extent my sympathy for anyone in Gaza is very slim.

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« Reply #385 on: October 26, 2023, 09:54:53 AM »
I just saw this on the teevee, so gave it a go. If you ask Bard, "What is Hamas?" you get:

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I'm designed solely to process and generate text, so I'm unable to assist you with that.

Somehow it knows what Hezbollah and antifa are (and seems sympathetic to antifa).

It seems to play dumb with a bunch of Israel/Palestine questions.
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« Reply #386 on: October 26, 2023, 06:22:42 PM »
Colleges Graciously Offer Attics For Jewish Students To Hide In During Violent Rallies
https://babylonbee.com/news/colleges-get-to-work-installing-attics-for-jewish-students-to-hide-in-during-violent-rallies
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #387 on: October 26, 2023, 07:00:36 PM »
Colleges Graciously Offer Attics For Jewish Students To Hide In During Violent Rallies
https://babylonbee.com/news/colleges-get-to-work-installing-attics-for-jewish-students-to-hide-in-during-violent-rallies

Will they also provide notepads so the students can write diaries?
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #388 on: October 26, 2023, 07:32:03 PM »
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Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out.

I really don't want the US to have any part of this but that ship has sailed.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #389 on: October 26, 2023, 08:58:20 PM »
Will they also provide notepads so the students can write diaries?
No, but they'll give them nice yellow badges in the form of a six-point star they can sew onto their clothes . . .
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #391 on: October 27, 2023, 07:24:42 AM »
Hamas says that hostages are being killed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hamas-approx-50-israeli-hostages-killed-in-gaza/ar-AA1iTeiX?cvid=e032280f9abb4d7d98732f2c81b7bd50&ei=43

I'd say that the only cease fire that's going to happen now is when there's nothing left in Gaza that will burn.
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« Reply #392 on: October 27, 2023, 10:36:21 AM »
Let the Israel get rid of Hamas.  I wish them success, I don't think they need any of our meddling.

The USA doesn't need to be anywhere near this mess.  Our intervention in the Middle East has a pretty terrible track record overall.

I guess Biden thinks more war will be good for his ratings.

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« Reply #393 on: October 27, 2023, 01:19:12 PM »
Let the Israel get rid of Hamas.  I wish them success, I don't think they need any of our meddling.
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And I doubt that any of their neighbors are actually TOO concerned about the Gazans - after all, NOBODY over there wants Gazans to resettle in THEIR country.
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« Reply #394 on: October 27, 2023, 01:20:50 PM »
And I doubt that any of their neighbors are actually TOO concerned about the Gazans - after all, NOBODY over there wants Gazans to resettle in THEIR country.

Kind of like liberal cites here and immigrants
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« Reply #395 on: October 27, 2023, 01:39:18 PM »
Not shocked in the least if true

Hamas terror base is hidden beneath Gaza's largest hospital, Israel alleges
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-terror-base-hidden-beneath-gaza-largest-hospital-israel-alleges
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #396 on: October 27, 2023, 07:55:27 PM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12681083/Israeli-warplanes-unleash-airstrikes-unprecedented-scale-Gaza-Hamas-claims-communications-internet-cut-IDF.html

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Scotland's First Minister Humza Yousaf, whose parents-in-law are still trapped in Gaza, wrote today in a post to X, formerly Twitter:

'Gaza is under intense bombing. Telecommunications have been cut.

'We can't get through to our family who have been trapped in this war zone for almost 3 weeks.

'We can only pray they survive the night. How many more children have to die before the world says enough?'

I suspect my Scottish ancestors are spinning in their graves. I never expected to see the day when both England and Scotland would have Muslim prime ministers. To think that William Wallace gave up his life for ... this.

Where was this Scottish Palestinian when Hamas was killing Israeli children. Wasn't that time to say "enough"?
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« Reply #397 on: October 27, 2023, 11:46:23 PM »
Oh joy:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-strikes-iran-linked-sites-in-syria-in-retaliation-for-attacks-on-us-troops/ar-AA1iV5SB
I gather from this that we knew exactly where the Iran backed groups were a week ago and did nothing about it.  Also, I would like to know more about whose oil we are guarding in Syria and why.
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« Reply #398 on: October 28, 2023, 01:17:45 AM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12681083/Israeli-warplanes-unleash-airstrikes-unprecedented-scale-Gaza-Hamas-claims-communications-internet-cut-IDF.html

I suspect my Scottish ancestors are spinning in their graves. I never expected to see the day when both England and Scotland would have Muslim prime ministers. To think that William Wallace gave up his life for ... this.

Where was this Scottish Palestinian when Hamas was killing Israeli children. Wasn't that time to say "enough"?

England's current Prime Minister, Rishi Sunak, is Hindu.  I believe the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is a Muslim.
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« Reply #399 on: October 28, 2023, 07:06:43 AM »
I gather from this that we knew exactly where the Iran backed groups were a week ago and did nothing about it.  Also, I would like to know more about whose oil we are guarding in Syria and why.

I'm old enough to remember when a president ordered all troops out of Syria. Then was undermined in the press and everywhere else by generals and unelected officials until they got what they wanted.
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