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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2250 on: January 15, 2025, 02:30:27 PM »
Quote from: K Frame on January 15, 2025, 01:43:03 PM
Well FINALLY those horrible genocidal vicious beast Jews are ending their persecution of the peace-loving Muslims who have been deprived of their homeland! DEATH TO JEWS! DEATH TO ISRAEL!

Whoa...

Sorry, I think I was channeling a smelly table-cloth wearing American college student there for a moment.

You left out "imperialist zionist"
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2251 on: January 15, 2025, 03:21:57 PM »
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2252 on: January 15, 2025, 04:13:05 PM »
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https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1879615909440168204


Interesting. Trump isn't President yet. If Trump sent an envoy to negotiate or mediate -- isn't that a violation of the Logan Act?
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2253 on: January 15, 2025, 04:35:16 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on January 15, 2025, 04:13:05 PM
Interesting. Trump isn't President yet. If Trump sent an envoy to negotiate or mediate -- isn't that a violation of the Logan Act?

The Logan Act covers disputes between foreign governments and the US.  The US is not a party to the war in Gaza, and so that dispute is not covered under the Logan Act.

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Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

You could argue that the US hostages are a controversy with the US, but as far as I know they are all Dual Citizen Israelis, and the whole thing is being negotiated as a dispute between Hamas and Israel.  The US is a mediator, not a party to the dispute.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2254 on: January 15, 2025, 07:21:00 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on January 15, 2025, 04:35:16 PM
The Logan Act covers disputes between foreign governments and the US.  The US is not a party to the war in Gaza, and so that dispute is not covered under the Logan Act.

You could argue that the US hostages are a controversy with the US, but as far as I know they are all Dual Citizen Israelis, and the whole thing is being negotiated as a dispute between Hamas and Israel.  The US is a mediator, not a party to the dispute.

Okay, but under the Constitution foreign policy is the bailiwick of the government, specifically the President.

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In United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp., 299 U.S. 304 (1936), Justice Sutherland, writing for the Court, observed,

    [T]he President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate, but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation, the Senate cannot intrude; and Congress itself is powerless to invade it. As Marshall said in his great argument of March 7, 1800, in the House of Representatives, 'The President is the sole organ of the nation in its external relations, and its sole representative with foreign nations.'

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2255 on: January 15, 2025, 07:51:47 PM »
Quote from: AmbulanceDriver on January 15, 2025, 02:30:27 PM
You left out "imperialist zionist"

It's all part of the rich tapestry of hate.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2256 on: January 15, 2025, 07:53:50 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on January 15, 2025, 04:35:16 PM
The Logan Act covers disputes between foreign governments and the US.  The US is not a party to the war in Gaza, and so that dispute is not covered under the Logan Act.

You could argue that the US hostages are a controversy with the US, but as far as I know they are all Dual Citizen Israelis, and the whole thing is being negotiated as a dispute between Hamas and Israel.  The US is a mediator, not a party to the dispute.

My guess is that it's not going to stop the left from screeching about how Trump just added felony number Xtybilliontrillion to his record by violataing this, that, and the other thing in getting involved in negotiations.

It will probably be the primary charge in the next articles of impeachment the left dreams up.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2257 on: January 15, 2025, 08:16:32 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on January 15, 2025, 07:21:00 PM
Okay, but under the Constitution foreign policy is the bailiwick of the government, specifically the President.

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The United States is not a party to this negotiated settlement. Why would the US government get a say in who helps negotiate it?*

Quote from: K Frame on January 15, 2025, 07:53:50 PM
My guess is that it's not going to stop the left from screeching about how Trump just added felony number Xtybilliontrillion to his record by violataing this, that, and the other thing in getting involved in negotiations.

It will probably be the primary charge in the next articles of impeachment the left dreams up.



You are probably correct, once they get over their vapors from confronting all his Nazis in the Senate this week.


*As far as I know.  I was tracking this as a cease fire between Israel and Hamas, with a couple third parties acting as mediators.  I'm  pretty sure we would have heard more press if the US was entering into an agreement with Hamas.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2258 on: January 15, 2025, 10:02:11 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on January 15, 2025, 08:16:32 PM
The United States is not a party to this negotiated settlement. Why would the US government get a say in who helps negotiate it?*


The article I read said it was negotiated/mediated by Trump's envoy.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2259 on: January 16, 2025, 06:01:55 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on January 15, 2025, 10:02:11 PM
The article I read said it was negotiated/mediated by Trump's envoy.

Right.  Who is not representing the Government of the US, in negotiations with two powers that don't include the US, about a conflict the US is not involved in.

Why would either the COTUS or the Logan Act apply?  This has nothing( (officially)  to do with US foreign policy.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2260 on: January 16, 2025, 07:40:28 AM »
Quote from: dogmush on January 16, 2025, 06:01:55 AM
Right.  Who is not representing the Government of the US, in negotiations with two powers that don't include the US, about a conflict the US is not involved in.

Why would either the COTUS or the Logan Act apply?  This has nothing( (officially)  to do with US foreign policy.


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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2261 on: January 16, 2025, 09:15:53 AM »
Maybe not so fast
Netanyahu is accusing Hamas  of trying to back out.

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Israel's Netanyahu delays Gaza cease-fire vote, accusing Hamas of trying to back out of deal
https://www.foxnews.com/world/israels-netanyahu-accuses-hamas-trying-back-out-cease-fire-deal
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2262 on: January 16, 2025, 01:34:29 PM »
Biden Takes Credit For Developing Dementia So Kamala Would Take His Place And Lose To Trump So Hamas Would Release Hostages
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-takes-credit-for-developing-dementia-so-kamala-would-take-his-place-and-lose-to-trump-so-hamas-would-release-hostages
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2263 on: January 19, 2025, 07:17:37 AM »
So...

The cease fire has started, and the first hostages are slated to be released.

In the mean time, there are videos of groups of Hamas gunmen parading in the streets, giving a very clear indication that Hamas is NOT defeated.

Israel is going to have to do this again. And again. And again. And again...
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2264 on: January 19, 2025, 07:45:26 AM »
Quote from: K Frame on January 19, 2025, 07:17:37 AM
Israel is going to have to do this again. And again. And again. And again...

Yup. Trump may not like it, because it will mess up his perfect deal, but I don't see this as anything more than Hamas being Hamas. This is a chance for them to get a what - 10 for 1 deal for hostage/prisoner exchange? With a large number of the prisoners having committed crimes like murder. Hamas is doing this with their fingers crossed behind their backs, and are even now planning the next 10OCT.

It's easy (and perhaps a bit cold) for me to say from the safety of my armchair, but it might have saved a lot more lives (likely more than just Israeli) to disregard the hostages and just wipe out Hamas.

There could very well be strategic planning between the US and Israel far behind my understanding going on behind the scenes though.
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« Reply #2265 on: January 19, 2025, 07:56:56 AM »
The 10 for 1 prisoner exchange cost a lot more than 10 to 1 in the full accounting, not that I expect Hamas to take a full account.

Hamas isn’t gone, but if Israel’s old strategy was mowing the lawn, I suspect that this cutting was quite a bit lower than previous ones. Yeah, Hamas (or something worse) will survive, but they have an awful lot of rebuilding before they can do something like Oct. 7 again.
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« Reply #2266 on: January 19, 2025, 07:58:58 AM »
Oh yea, 7. I don't know where I got 10 from.
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« Reply #2267 on: January 19, 2025, 08:01:10 AM »
Quote from: Ben on January 19, 2025, 07:58:58 AM
Oh yea, 7. I don't know where I got 10 from.
Maybe you know something that we don’t about the next October 7 …  [tinfoil]
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« Reply #2268 on: January 25, 2025, 07:32:25 AM »
Hamas released 4 female Israeli soldiers from captivity.

As expected, they made a complete spectacle of it by dragging them through the streets in Gaza city and parading them in front of hostile crowds before turning them over to the Red Cross (not much better, really).

In response? Israel said it would NOT allow Gazans to cross between North and South Gaza, which was a key provision of the cease fire.

Why?

Because the Palestinian terrorists were supposed to release FIVE female Israeli soldiers. AND they were supposed to release civilian hostages first.

Israel said if Hamas doesn't fulfill its obligation under the agreement, Israel will consider it to be a breech of the agreement and will not fulfill its part of the agreement until Hamas rectifies the issue.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2269 on: February 08, 2025, 02:43:12 PM »


Just sayin' ...
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« Reply #2270 on: February 08, 2025, 03:49:49 PM »
Are you saying that China doesn’t have enough Muslim slaves?
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« Reply #2271 on: February 17, 2025, 03:46:52 PM »
Stick a fork in him he's.....over done

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« Reply #2272 on: February 17, 2025, 04:36:26 PM »
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Are you saying that China doesn’t have enough Muslim slaves?
The conflict of cultures would be interesting. 
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« Reply #2273 on: February 17, 2025, 05:14:10 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 17, 2025, 04:36:26 PM
The conflict of cultures would be interesting.
Yeah, I was referring to the Uyghurs, who have been - as the Chinese proverb is said to go - living in "interesting" times.
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« Reply #2274 on: February 20, 2025, 05:36:16 PM »
Hamas had a dead baby block party today, delivering the bodies of the children they murdered with music and fanfare. Surprisingly, even the UN was so disgusted by it that they actually called Hamas out. Though it sure looks like there were a lot of "non-Hamas innocent Palestinians" there as well.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2025/02/20/hamas-parade-n2408681

Plus three buses (empty) were blown up in Tel Aviv today, with a message found about "vengeance". I'm thinking the ceasefire will be short-lived.
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